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  Big news from Kim and Mikey, they state in thier latest video proof the WT invested in the Nazi war machine!!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is big!

  according to what they say if i'm correct an investigation was done back in 1998 in concerning what american companies invested money in to germany.

  mike and kim state that a document they have attained shows a list of american firms that had invested into germany as late as 1943. on this list is non other then watchtower !!

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  Listener

  I was able to look at the source document that Kim and Mike are presenting in their video and it in no way supports the idea that the WTBTS support the Nazi war machine.
  
  Kim and Mike's claims in this instance are not supported by any proof.
  
  The page that they are using to support this claim comes from a report titled Research Findings About Ford-Werke under the Nazi Regime. The form can be found at page 122 and is headed Appendix A . Appendix A is list of Investment of U.S. Companies in Germany, 1943 .
  
  https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Ford.pdf
  
  This is what the report has to say about Appendix A
  
  

  At the start of World War II, 250 American firms owned more than $450 million in assets in Germany. Ten of those firms owned 58.5 percent of the total. Ranked 16th by investment holdings, Ford held 1.9 percent of the total American investment. A chart showing the top 59 firms is attached as Appendix A, Investment of U.S. Companies in Germany, 1943.

  
  Therefore the form that Kim and Mike are using as some sort of proof about investing or financially supporting the War does no such thing. The form shows how much the WTBTS had in Assets in Germany during the war, and that's it. The amount was $596,576. That amount would have been the value of all their buildings in Germany, their printing machinery and all other assets, including money held in bank accounts.
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  Big news from Kim and Mikey, they state in thier latest video proof the WT invested in the Nazi war machine!!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is big!

  according to what they say if i'm correct an investigation was done back in 1998 in concerning what american companies invested money in to germany.

  mike and kim state that a document they have attained shows a list of american firms that had invested into germany as late as 1943. on this list is non other then watchtower !!

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  It is odd that the Wtbts had $600,000 in Germany at that time, in today's money that would be over $10 million US. Maybe they had it sitting in a bank account.
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  Big news from Kim and Mikey, they state in thier latest video proof the WT invested in the Nazi war machine!!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is big!

  according to what they say if i'm correct an investigation was done back in 1998 in concerning what american companies invested money in to germany.

  mike and kim state that a document they have attained shows a list of american firms that had invested into germany as late as 1943. on this list is non other then watchtower !!

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  Listener

  The document states what they invested in. It was the Wtbts in Germany. The Wtbts in Germany would have needed funds from the Wtbts HQ at that time.

  All the American Companies on that list were investing in their own subsidiary Company that they set up in Germany.
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  Big news from Kim and Mikey, they state in thier latest video proof the WT invested in the Nazi war machine!!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is big!

  according to what they say if i'm correct an investigation was done back in 1998 in concerning what american companies invested money in to germany.

  mike and kim state that a document they have attained shows a list of american firms that had invested into germany as late as 1943. on this list is non other then watchtower !!

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  Listener

  Crazy guy, I wouldn't get too excited about this until more information can be provided. Unfortunately Kim and Mike can sometimes be in too much of a hurry to make a video that they don't always check how factual the information is or they get themselves too snowed under in their own research that they forget to get their facts straight.

  From what I can gather, there was a 3 and a half year study done on Ford's involvement during WW2 in Germany, the Corporation being called Ford-Werke. A report was written in 2001 about the findings and supported by documents.

  I believe that what is being shown is the second page of Appendix A. Neither the first page of Appendix A was presented, or a copy from the report directing readers to Appendix A and it's purpose.

  Mike and Kim should also be very careful about their sources. It is possible that a JW might play this sort of trick to make liars out of them.

  The document that lists the Watchtower, IMHO is not showing their investment/shareholding in Ford-Werkes but rather, their investment in Germany during the 2nd WW. Note what the document says at the bottom left hand side and the fact that it lists the American Company and who it invested in within Germany.

  https://i.redd.it/2cjirnwe90cx.png
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  they have started moving

  by pepperheart in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  did you see the september broadcast of jw broadcasting where david splane told you that thet have started moving people to the new world headquaters around new york.they will not be having tours though until april next year .

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  I expect they'll have a lot to say about it at the upcoming annual board meeting.
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  Midweek meeting video

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  did anybody see the service meeting video this week?.

  australian sister was sexually abused as a child and thought of ending her life at 14 years old, sometime later jw's call on her father who accepts a study and eventually the whole family becomes witnesses, life gets much better as the sister immerses herself in pioneering etc, she still has some dark days but prayer along with going for walks and swimming has helped her cope with bad memories of child abuse, the new system (just around the corner) will completely fix everything......... i'm dumbfounded, the hypocrisy has literally rendered me speechless......comments anybody?.

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  The video is not at all helpful for someone currently being abused and watching it. It has the potential of being very harmful by making the victim feel they must keep the problem to themselves and just deal with it.

  Those men at HQ should be ashamed of themselves.
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  Were YOU forced into a loveless marriage?

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many young jw women are "married off" to virtual strangers, often older men, soon after they are of legal age.. did this happen to you?.

  did it happen to a close friend or sibling?.

  tell us about it.. from universal life ministries on facebook:.

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  What is the suggested punishment for breaking this proposed law?
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  Visit From Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  had two lovely jws (stephen and ruth) visit this morning.

  this was our second study in the last 2 weeks.

  they first knocked on my door (bell is out) 3 weeks ago and i shared my testimony and we arranged to meet last tuesday which we did.. our first study went like this:.

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  If that's the case Vanderhoven, then you may need to consider a new strategy. It is likely that the big gun won't be interested in discussing doctrines but turn it on you to see what your motive is. He will probably have a pre determined idea of what it is. He'll tell you that they are not there to debate.
  
  Stephen and Ruth have so far shown that they are sincere in discussing issues with you and if you can show Stephen that the attitude of the big gun is wrong, judgmental or uncalled for it might have some positive effect. You'll need to demonstrate your sincerity in wanting to know what they have to say.
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  When GB Members Travel...Do They Stay With Members?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  or do they stay at hotels?

  do most jws know who's on the governing body?

  if one just showed up at church would he be immediately recognized?

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  Explain the difference between the Governing Body and the various legal corporations. [H-14; w01 4/15 29, fourth question] [1]
  While directors of a legal corporation are voted into office by its members, the Governing Body is ffi
  not appointed by any man but is appointed by Jesus Christ.

  
  

  This is an official statement made by them. This is an example of their receipt. They explain how individual directors are appointed but only explain how the Governing Body Class is appointed, they fail to explain how the individual Governing Body members are selected.

  GB members also stay at Bethel Branches. They have been buying up smaller luxury residences and state they are language translation centres and it is possible that they stay there as well.
  
  
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  Visit From Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  had two lovely jws (stephen and ruth) visit this morning.

  this was our second study in the last 2 weeks.

  they first knocked on my door (bell is out) 3 weeks ago and i shared my testimony and we arranged to meet last tuesday which we did.. our first study went like this:.

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  Listener

  Apparently, only they are allowed to quote and make hay out of anything earlier than last month.

  
  They don't seem to be very clear about their own teachings. It seems like it is becoming more common these days that they are personally rejecting ideas in older articles if they cannot reconcile with them. Maybe a better position would be to have them back up any views that they express by asking for a scripture to support it. As you point out, they can't do this.
  
  I wonder if this is a new problem that is arising amongst the Witnesses but it seems that instead of being fully aware that they cannot answer a question, they immediately deal with this CD by feeling they are being persecuted or that Satan is just trying to shake their faith. You become the problem, not them.
  
  A few decades ago, JWs had complete confidence that they had the truth, that they could answer any question put to them and they were right. The difference is, back then, it was very rare for JWs to be confronted with difficult questions. Most of the questions they would be confronted with were dealt with in their publications and could be researched if they could not recall something instantly but not the ones that we are asking today.
  
  The organization has left them high and dry. They are expected to deal with the issues on their own. This is evident when Splane came up with a scripture that he thought supported the 'generation' teaching and told his sheep to meditate and come up with their own scripture to support it. Maybe the real persecution is coming from their leaders by way of undefendable doctrines.
  
  It's amazing that they find themselves in such a difficult position when they have a huge resource available to them, one that they never had a few decades ago - JW org.
  
  It becomes more and more evident why the message these days is one of obedience.