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  JW.org Childrens Page: Expanding My Circle Of Friends

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/worksheets/expanding-circle-of-friends/.

  some things of note here, it looks to me that they're encouraging young ones to befriend older people and "people not like them".

  could this be because many of the young ones are now leaving?.

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  Listener

  Justice McLellan from the ARC recently addressed a significant problem that religious organizations face in this aspect -
  
  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/speeches/safe-as-churches.aspx
  
  

  Faith based institutions also provide access to children. That access is available in an environment in which a child’s spiritual development occurs and is nurtured by adults. Children are brought up to respect, and to accept, the instruction of adults. It is how children learn, both about themselves and society. The child will always be vulnerable to the abusing adult. Where the adult is perceived by the child to be a manifestation of spiritual good, in some cases especially chosen by God, and able to instruct the child about the mysteries of life, death, belief in God, and good and evil an extra level of vulnerability may be present.

  
  

  The Commissioners have heard many times from survivors who as children were told that if they tell anyone about the abuse they will be punished by God and may go to hell. Both physical punishment of the child and alienation from God are threats of which we repeatedly hear. Sometimes the child was told that the abuse afflicted upon them is God’s will.

  
  

  Remarkably some have been told it is the way God wants them to learn about sex. The calculated exploitation of a child’s innocence is difficult to comprehend. The power afforded to the adult by the institution is corrupted and used to abuse the child.

  
  

  The special attention which an abusing priest, pastor or religious person may have paid to the abused child is commonly welcomed by the child’s parent. This will also be true of a child’s sporting coach, lay teacher or dance instructor. That attention may engender a sense in the developing child that they are special. When the nurturing of a child’s spiritual development becomes entangled with affection and misplaced adoration of the abuser, both the risk to the child and the impact of the abuse when it occurs increases. The loss of a spiritual life for a survivor is common, although not universal. For many survivors this loss compounds the burdens they must carry for the rest of their lives.
  A pubescent or post-pubescent child seeking to understand their own identity and place in the world, including their sexual identity, is vulnerable to the affections and special treatment of the adult leading ultimately to disillusionment and, for many, lifelong destructive consequences.
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  Child abuse royal commission: Justice McClellan warns churches to change or risk illegitimacy

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  child abuse royal commission: justice mcclellan warns churches to change or risk illegitimacy.

  every major australian church has been cautioned to better protect children or risk illegitimacy.in a speech to the national council of churches, the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse chairman justice peter mcclellan urged religious leaders to act on his recommendations.

  "what we can be certain of is that any institution which does not acknowledge past wrongs and the need for change will lose the confidence of australians," he said via a recorded video.. read more and watch video of speech (26.02 long) at link:.

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  Justice McClellan was addressing the National Council of Churches and the transcript can be found on the ARC Child Abuse website.
  
  They have proposed that the redress scheme involve a number of aspects. It's not just monetarily but requires an active role by the organization in apologizing -

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  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/speeches/safe-as-churches.aspx
  

  We said appropriate redress should include three elements:
  A direct personal response by the institution, including an apology, an opportunity for the survivor to meet with a senior representative of the institution and an assurance as to the steps the institution has taken, or will take, to protect against further abuse.
  Access to therapeutic counselling and psychological care as needed throughout a survivor’s life.
  Modest monetary payments as a tangible means of recognising the wrong survivors have suffered

  Unfortuantely it looks like the redress scheme will be voluntary.

  1. On 4 November 2016 the Minister for Social Services, Christian Porter, announced the establishment of the Commonwealth Redress Scheme. In that announcement Minister Porter said that ‘any state, any territory, any church, any charity, who has responsibility in this area will be able to opt-in to the scheme’. Institutions would opt-in on the basis that they fund the cost of their own eligible redress claims.

     
     
     
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  Just got back from Field Service

  by biblexaminer in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i had to work with an elder in fs today.

  there was no way out.. this elder is from africa somewhere, right off the boat.

  how do they view children?.

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  Bible Examiner, was your attack brought on by what you were witnessing and the position you were in? You were obviously distraught at what was going on.
  
  Since the Brother was an Elder it would have been very difficult to do anything but watch on as you can't be seen to questioning his authority.
  
  I think Snowbird made some good points. Would it have been possible to invite the Elder and his son to just be observers as you took charge of all the door knocking and presentations? You could do this under the guise of them being new to your country and giving them time to adapt.
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  Do you have enough guts to play the Ouija board game???

  by James Mixon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if so you are now free!!!!!!!!

  i could sit in a secluded cabin, in a thunder storm and no lights, all alone with no fear of demons jumping out of the woodworks....evil spirits can play hell in your life, what a relief......

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  Listener

  It's an interesting game. I played it with a family of girls years ago. I noted that it was the most domineering of the girls that was controlling the board. The other sisters were not aware and it was a clever way to manipulate them.
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  Brother Bradford's comment at the April 29 ,2017 Watchtower Study

  by NCC-1701 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hope this works .

  was listening to this on youtube today.

  check out brother bradford's comment about the picture of the governing body at about the 1:11:38 mark.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk_jnua-ua0.

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  If there's no leader amongst that group then why are they showing a picture of everyone looking at Losch? Everyone expect AM III.
  
  
  
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-30-2017 WT Study (WHO IS LEADING) IN PARTS

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  blondie’s comments you will not hear at the april 30, 2017 wt study (february 2017) (who is leading).

  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/who-is-leading-gods-people-today/ .

  excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

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  Listener

  Excellent work Blondie.
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  RUMOUR - Regarding future memorials

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i heard this on the youtube channel - bad jw round table discussions and i normally don't give much thought to rumours, i did find this one interesting.one of the guys on the channel said that there are plans that 'the other sheep' will be told not to attend any future memorials.he was asked how credible was this and he said that it is talk going around by those in the know, just like there had been those that knew about the fairly recent new edition of the bible being in production.even if this is probably just a rumour, the idea has a lot of merit.

  the benefits for the organization outweigh the negatives and would fit in with their current direction.here are some of the benefits, for the org.

  that could come from it- the biggest benefit would come from not having to accommodate so many attendants, which are more than double a normal meeting.

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  Listener

  I heard this on the Youtube Channel - Bad JW round table discussions and I normally don't give much thought to rumours, I did find this one interesting.
  
  One of the guys on the Channel said that there are plans that 'the other sheep' will be told not to attend any future memorials.
  
  He was asked how credible was this and he said that it is talk going around by those in the know, just like there had been those that knew about the fairly recent new edition of the Bible being in production.
  
  Even if this is probably just a rumour, the idea has a lot of merit. The benefits for the organization outweigh the negatives and would fit in with their current direction.
  
  Here are some of the benefits, for the org. that could come from it
  
  - the biggest benefit would come from not having to accommodate so many attendants, which are more than double a normal meeting. Since they are reducing the number of KH's and amalgamating congregations it takes of a great deal of pressure and allows them to close more Halls than would be possible.
  
  - they can spin it to create a real (albeit perceived) sense of urgency. They say that the memorial will end on Jesus' return. They could cut the requirement for the 'other sheep' to attend by saying that there is no longer a need for them to attend in support of the anointed because the end is so close anyway and it won't be much longer before it stops altogether.
  
  - it would solve the problem of the increased numbers of those partaking. It would be a reason not to count the numbers and those not attending would be none the wiser as to any increases or decreases. It may discourage any new partakers who would only be observed by a small number of other partakers anyway.
  
  - in places like Russia, where meeting together is banned it would take off a lot of pressure in arranging meetings to what was once the most important event of the year
  
  - no more printing of millions of invitations
  
  - I would think that the number of JWs who are questioning their non participation in the memorial is increasing given that us apostates discuss it with JWs, more so around the memorial season, either when they come to our doors or online. Likening it to the Black Mass by passing around the emblems and physically rejecting them must do some damage
  
  - it might explain why they printed speculation that the memorial a couple of years ago could be their last
  
  On the negative side
  
  - they could no longer claim that there are 20 million 'interested persons'
  
  - it will shock some (maybe many) JWs who always thought it was a biblical requirement rather than an invitation from the anointed/GB but given they must accept orders whether they seem impractical from a human viewpoint, it shouldn't be too difficult for them to deal with this
  
  What do you guys think? Even though it seems incredible, when you consider the benefits, they might just do something like this.
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  1919 a Date with Zero Prophetic Meaning

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've noticed that lately the wt has been using the date 1919 more often.

  in an almost matter of fact way, they will state that this is the year jesus finished refining his people and appointed the fds.

  the only problem is there is little proof or even prophetic antitypes given for why this must have been the year.

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  Listener

  Two years from now we may see the biggest ever 100th Birthday celebration.
  
  100 years since the appointment of the faithful & discreet slave.
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  1919 a Date with Zero Prophetic Meaning

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've noticed that lately the wt has been using the date 1919 more often.

  in an almost matter of fact way, they will state that this is the year jesus finished refining his people and appointed the fds.

  the only problem is there is little proof or even prophetic antitypes given for why this must have been the year.

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  Listener

  It is a great question to ask JWs. "Show me where in the Bible can 1919 be established"
  
  From the JW library the significance of 1919 includes the following but has been subject to various 'new light'. Keying the words "1919 calculation" into the search section provides this information -
  
  

  1919, 1,260 days begin (Re 12:6, 14): re 183-184
  1,290 days begin (Da 12:11): dp 300; w93 11/1 10-11
  144,000 begin “singing as if a new song” (Re 14:3): re 200
  antitypical Festival of Booths resumes: w96 7/1 24
  Babylon the Great falls (Re 14:8; 18:2): re 205-206, 209, 259-261; w89 5/1 3-5; w88 12/15 20-21
  birth of new nation (Isa 66:8): re 183-184; ip-2 397-400; w94 1/15 14
  ‘disgusting thing placed’ (Da 12:11): dp 300; w93 11/1 10-11
  “faithful and discreet slave” ‘appointed over master’s belongings’ (Mt 24:47): w04 3/1 12; wt 131
  faithful slaves ‘appointed over many things’ (Mt 25:21, 23): w04 3/1 17
  ‘fire hurled to earth’ (Re 8:5): w09 1/15 32; re 131-132
  ‘four angels untied’ (Re 9:15): re 149-151; w88 12/15 13
  “harvest of the earth” begins (Re 14:14-16): re 211-212
  Jehovah’s chariotlike heavenly organization gets in touch with Ezekiel class (Eze 1): w91 3/15 11
  Jehovah’s spirit begins to be poured out on remnant (Joe 2:28, 29): w98 5/1 14-15
  “key of the house of David” placed on shoulder of remnant (Isa 22:22): w09 1/15 31
  locusts swarm from abyss (Re 9): re 143-148; w89 4/1 17-18; w88 12/15 12-13
  “opened door” set before remnant (Re 3:8): re 60-65
  remnant “come quivering to Jehovah” (Hos 3:5): w91 8/15 17
  remnant eat “little scroll” (Re 10:8-11): re 159-160
  remnant figuratively resurrected: dp 290-291; w88 10/15 13; w87 7/1 21-23
  remnant freed from Babylon the Great: ip-2 74; ip-1 400-401; w89 5/1 4-5
  remnant ‘hold possession of land’ (Isa 60:21): w02 7/1 18; ip-2 319-320
  remnant refined (Isa 1:24-27): ip-1 32-34
  remnant restored to spiritual paradise: ip-1 380; w91 5/15 16
  remnant step before “waters” of mankind (Jos 3:15-17): w86 12/15 13
  two witnesses resurrected (Re 11:11, 12): re 169-170
  virgins hear cry, “Here is the bridegroom!” (Mt 25:6): w04 3/1 14
  “Way of Holiness” opened (Isa 35:8): ip-1 380-381; ws 132-134
  “your God has become king” begins to be declared (Isa 52:7): ip-2 187

  
  
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  World Religion News: New Jehovah’s Witness Headquarters Hosts First Open Houses

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/new-jehovahs-witness-headquarters-hosts-first-open-houses.

  new jehovah’s witness headquarters hosts first open houses.

  28 apr 2017 posted by nathan glover .

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  The story is very similar to the news story on the official jw website and includes the same cover photo.