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March 2018 Broadcast - When quotes become rumors

by Listener in

this months broadcast is presented by losche and he discusses the need for trust in the fds.

the following is transcribed from the 12.30 mark.. satan also has the scheme to spread rumors about our brothers including the faithful slave.

the method of spreading rumors is not new.

Listener

It must be causing a stir otherwise they would not have spent time and resources on damage control. There's no doubt about it, Jackson is responsible for being a stumbling block to some JWs. Occasionally you can read about his testimony playing an important part in the waking up of some JWs.

I wonder if Jackson has thought of stepping down? I would be surprised if he hasn't, at least, thought about the damage he has done and been very sad. He's in a similar position as Morris was and continues to be but Jackson comes across as a little more humble than him.

It would be lovely to see him return to his wife's Island home and start a family. He may even begin to wake up when he meditates on all his experiences as a GB member.

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March 2018 Broadcast - When quotes become rumors

by Listener in

this months broadcast is presented by losche and he discusses the need for trust in the fds.

the following is transcribed from the 12.30 mark.. satan also has the scheme to spread rumors about our brothers including the faithful slave.

the method of spreading rumors is not new.

Listener

One of the reasons we should put total trust in them is because they don't want to lose out on their heavenly reward. Yet there have been GB members in the past where this hasn't been a consideration.

The same principle should apply to any JW, including Elders, whether they have the heavenly hope or the earthly hope.

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March 2018 Broadcast - When quotes become rumors

by Listener in

this months broadcast is presented by losche and he discusses the need for trust in the fds.

the following is transcribed from the 12.30 mark.. satan also has the scheme to spread rumors about our brothers including the faithful slave.

the method of spreading rumors is not new.

Listener

This months broadcast is presented by Losche and he discusses the need for trust in the FDS. The following is transcribed from the 12.30 mark.

Satan also has the scheme to spread rumors about our Brothers including the Faithful Slave. The method of spreading rumors is not new. When Jesus was resurrected and the tomb was empty, the soldiers that reported it were told to spread the rumor that the disciples cam and stole the body at night. quotes Matthew 28:15. Another rumor in the 1st Century was that Christians were responsible for the great fire of Rome...Historians say that it was Nero, the Emperor that set fire to the city...
Today occassionaly rumors are being spread in electronic form about the Faithful Slave. This has brought some concern on the part of Brothers that especially when the reports are commenting on Court cases where some in the Organization were accused. Sometimes reference is made to certain quotes and readers then think 'how can a quote be a rumor?' A quote can be taken out of context. Critical reports often only give part of a matter and leave out other aspects. Often such rumors play on the emotions.

Ask yourself, am I prone to believe rumors and even if I am, should I spread it and undermine the trust that others have in the Slave or a representative of the er Branch Office. Avoid sensationalism by something like 'Can you believe what I heard about this matter or that matter or this person or that person' referring to a matter that may have appeared on Facebook, Youtube or Twitter? The spread of rumors is like wildfire that is hard to control, it spreads distrust and can undermine someone's faith.

This is not to say that the Slave is perfect and never makes mistakes but Jehovah and Jesus trusts the imperfect Slave who cares for things to the best of his ability and with the best of motives. Shouldn't we then trust the Slave as well? To appreciate the extent of Jehovah's and Jesus' trust in the faithful slave, reflect on what he has promised it's members. He has promised them immortality and incoruption. Soon, just before Armageddon, the remaining members of the Slave will be taken to heaven.
Since 1919 of our common era, the Slave has been put in charge of some belongings of Christ. According to Matthew 24:47 when the anointed are taken to heaven Jesus will then at that point entrust all his belongings to them. Does this not reveal immense trust? Revelation 4:4 describes these resurrected anointed as co rulers with Christ. Revelation 22:5 says they will rule, not only for a thousand years but for eever and eever. What imense trust Jesus shows toward them. Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the FDS should we not do the same?
Many servants of Jehovah in the past showed trust in Jehovah when confronted with obstacles or opposition. We can trust that Jehovah will not let us be tested beyond what we can bare but will provide a way out so that we can remain faithful under trials.
So, whom do you trust? You fully trust in Jehovah, Jesus and the Faithful Slave. To a reasonable degree you also trust all of your fellow Brothers and Sisters...something else we need to trust in – God’s Word...

It would seem that he is specifically addressing what Jackson said at the Australian Royal Commission but can't be bothered to be specific or to explain how he was taken out of context or even if he was.

The bottom line is that Jackson is not accountable for what he said at the Royal Commission because -
It’s just Satan who is behind the spreading of this information, so whatever he said doesn't matter.
His comments have been taken out of context and we aren’t about to explain how this is the case but you’re just getting emotional about it all
Even if you believe what he said, you don’t want to undermine the faith other Brothers have
Repeating what he said just causes mistrust even if he said it.
As part of the FDS, he is not perfect and makes mistakes
He has the best of motives because he wants immortality therefore we don’t even need to explain to you what he really meant. And since we also have the purest motives we don't need to explain to you why he said what he did.
God trusts him and so should you since we appointed him on behalf of Jesus who selected us as an organization since 1919 by putting us in charge of some of his belongings. Naturally this included the authority to appoint future members to the FDS including Jackson
Since Jehovah has promised that he will be a co ruler in the future, this immense trust by him shows that we should do the same. It doesn't matter that Jesus will judge on this matter in the future we can speak on his behalf because of the 1919 appointment.
If you see it as a test by God then it’s not because he knows you can deal with it.

Jackson is a GB member and it is possible that he could be acting outside the unity of the other GB members or more specifically, outside approved doctrinal teachings but it appears that Losche is trying to establish that he was acting as part of the FDS during the Court Hearing. Even though they’ve made it clear before that it is only when they are together can it be said that the FDS is operating.

No mention is given about the FDS becoming the evil slave and any future award has not currently been awarded or examined for worthiness by Jesus.

The Commission found them to be the worst religion in handling child abuse accusations and instead of addressing this fundamental flaw and the very reason the Commission was looking into the Watchtower organization, they choose to make up a bunch of excuses for some of the things Jackson and the Branch said and misdirect the rank and file from the real issues.

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Unhappy being asked to give a Disfellowshipped Sister a ride to and from Meetings

by Isambard Crater in

i'm pimo, very much against disfellowshipping, and going to a meeting leaves me feeling confused and angry at the best of times.

except an elder asked me on thursday night if i can start giving a ride to a disfellowshipped woman because she lives near me and nobody else from the hall lives in my village.

it seems the elder and his family who have been giving this woman a ride for the past six months can no longer stomach the time it takes them to go out of their way.. i thought all normal publishers weren't to have any contact with disfellowshipped people?

Listener

Just tell him the truth, that you don't feel comfortable doing this. You shouldn't have to explain further and if he does go on about it, point out that you don't like being pressured about it when you've already said how you feel.

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CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE

by Newly Enlightened in

https://youtu.be/dpq7j8lkc98.

Listener

This is very good news and it was nice to hear from the copyright holder.

She has made a lot of extra work for herself and no doubt, she has her reasons for this. She also sounds like she wanted this book to come on the market with a Big Bang and has made efforts to get it published and distributed as wildly as possible.

She has used her own conscience in deciding to alter the original version, I hope we can still stand by this book and give it our highest recommendations.

Kim and Mike, it was a great honor that she chose you guys to make this announcement public and a great testimony to the two of you by someone who was greatly respected by the Franz's.

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Try Not To Vomit When You Read Todays Text

by pale.emperor in

tuesday, february 27. let the elders who preside in a fine way be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard in speaking and teaching.—1 tim.

5:17.. those related to us in the faith certainly merit honor and respect.

this is especially true of the elders who are taking the lead.

Listener

Let the elders who preside in a fine way be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard in speaking and teaching.—1 Tim. 5:17.

They just ignore the part that qualifies them of honor and that's when they have gone about their work in a 'fine way'.

They also choose to ignore this scripture just a few paragraphs away at 1 Timothy 2:20 " But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning."

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Rhetorical Question From a Non-JW

by Brian J in

so i was asked if "jehovah's witnesses feel they are the only ones who will be saved.".

he said "i thought you would say that" and showed me our own website:.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/who-saved/ .

Listener

Thanks for the link, it is always helpful. They state -

No. Many millions who lived in centuries past and who weren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses will have an opportunity for salvation. The Bible explains that in God’s promised new world, “there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” (Acts 24:15) Additionally, many now living may yet begin to serve God, and they too will gain salvation. In any case, it’s not our job to judge who will or won’t be saved. That assignment rests squarely in Jesus’ hands.—John 5:22, 27.

No scripture is quoted to support the claim that only those living now who are serving God will gain salvation and since there is none, they are doing the judging for those living now, rather than Jesus.

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If there ever was another defector from the GB who would apostatise ?

by Chook in

i don’t think any would give up the gravy train but that’s me personally.

ray franz was part of a larger club..

Listener

If any of them happened to have those thoughts and were sincere, I think they would be more likely to use their position to make changes. It's possible that some have even tried and were content with what they were personally able to achieve and justifying the rest by leaving it in God's hands.

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Marriage Proposal in the Kingdom Hall

by Listener in

just when you think you've seen it all comes another interesting use of a kingdom hall.a young man serenades his girlfriend with a song (possibly a watchtower song) from the stage through a microphone and backed by recorded music.

then he steps off the stage and gets down on one knee and proposes as he pulls out a ring from his coat pocket.

the large projector screen flashes up behind them with a picture of a sapphire and diamond ring.cameras capture the joyous moment as she accepts and they lock together in a loving hug.

Listener

It's not likely that the CO would approve and heads will roll, leaving a sour note to the couples upcoming wedding. It's ridiculous that something so innocent and with the purest of intentions has the potential of being treated like it was some sort of sin or at best, disrespectful.

There was a little boy happily running through the hall towards the start and you could see him being told off because his composure changed, that was ironic given what was about to take place.

There's no heart with this organisation. The Halls would make an ideal wedding reception venue for many poor and struggling couples or families.

Jesus himself help to provide at a wedding feast by turning water into wine.

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Marriage Proposal in the Kingdom Hall

by Listener in

just when you think you've seen it all comes another interesting use of a kingdom hall.a young man serenades his girlfriend with a song (possibly a watchtower song) from the stage through a microphone and backed by recorded music.

then he steps off the stage and gets down on one knee and proposes as he pulls out a ring from his coat pocket.

the large projector screen flashes up behind them with a picture of a sapphire and diamond ring.cameras capture the joyous moment as she accepts and they lock together in a loving hug.

Listener

Just when you think you've seen it all comes another interesting use of a Kingdom Hall.

A young man serenades his girlfriend with a song (possibly a Watchtower song) from the stage through a microphone and backed by recorded music. Then he steps off the stage and gets down on one knee and proposes as he pulls out a ring from his coat pocket. The large projector screen flashes up behind them with a picture of a sapphire and diamond ring.

Cameras capture the joyous moment as she accepts and they lock together in a loving hug. Family and friends then proceed to congratulate the couple as they begin to play some beautiful classical music.

I doubt it's going to stay up for very long on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj_VCog4-oA