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he pulled up in his car beside me and asked for directions, then he recognized me, we used to be in the same congo.. the usual pleasantries, i gave him directions, and then "when are you going to come back then" he asks.. "never" i say, "well, it has all changed" he says, " it's not like it used to be" i detect a tone of regret.. "but you know there is nowhere else to go" he boldly proclaims.. "yes there is !

" say i, "there is somewhere where you can find truth, and truth is supported by facts and evidence ".

he had to drive off then as he was blocking a narrow street, i did not get time to say " go to jw facts.com", i will tell him next time..

Listener

It makes you wonder what the average JW feels when they attend the meetings these days. Long gone are the days when one meeting was held in a persons home as a very small group. Now the meetings are taken up with a lot of pre-recorded videos presented by people they don't personally know, or even worse, by shadow figures or cartoons.

Not even the songs are sung without looking at a screen. It's become more impersonal. Soon, if not already, they'll have all their personal details logged on a computer system.

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LEAKED: UK Branch Relocation Update 11-Jun-2018

by Fay Dehr in

https://youtu.be/szsw4mwni40.

Listener

It's very surprising to hear that the youngest volunteer EVER to have worked on the project is as old as 19 years of age. I would have thought there would be plenty of youths ready and willing to work. Sounds like they've put a restriction on age which is a great thing considering how vulnerable young ones can be in that organization.

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Story out of Sacramento demon possessed pioneers

by poopie in

anyone heard anything?.

Listener

They had probably bought too many red hats at the thrift store.

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Randy Wall case linked to on JWdotORG

by neat blue dog in

under "breaking news" on jwdotorg, there is a link to a court case in canada that was just resolved on may 31st.. https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/17101/index.do.

it's in regard to him being disfellowshipped, and the court says they can't get involved.

jwdotorg gives this statement about their victory:.

Listener

In a unanimous decision released on May 31, 2018, the Supreme Court of Canada recognized that the disfellowshipping arrangement should remain free from court intervention. We rejoice in this vindication of Jehovah’s righteous standards.—Isaiah 33:22.

They are are so quick to boast about it that they make a claim which is not true. They make a general statement but their victory is only limited to this case and the precedents already set out by the courts.

There could arise circumstances that due to the disfellowshipping arrangement of the church an individual would be able to successfully sue through court involvement.

During the court hearing it was acknowledged when the courts could become involved - it relates to inflicting intentional emotional distress.

This is from a website advising when a religion could be sued

EMOTIONAL DISTRESS

The infliction of emotional distress is grounds for a lawsuit in most jurisdictions. However, it is strictly limited to the intentionaIlinfliction of emotional distress. That is, the plaintiff must prove that the actions of the defendant were motivated by the desire to cause emotional distress.

I imagine this is the very reason a JC will be delayed when it comes to the Elders attention that there is a chance of suicide.

It may also be a reason why many Elders will take a step backwards in dealing with a JW who says they are dealing with personal problems.

It would be good if JWs/exJWs considered how best they could use this fact before or during a JC.

As an example, the Elders could be told that if they go ahead with dfing they will be responsible for the shunning that results from their public announcement which you feel will cause untold emotional damage to you.

Its no wonder that they like to say that it's not them that are causing this distress but the blame lays squarely on the shoulders of the dfd one, who by their own actions, brought this on himself.

The idea that they 'desire to cause emotional distress' could possibly be demonstrated by the idea that they use disfellowshipping as a form of blackmail and not simply to keep their congregations clean since they choose to ignore sinners who don't confess and there are not two witnesses.

Their disfellowshipping arrangement is cruel and it was pointed out by Judge Mclellan at the ARC.

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Only one real point per WT study...

by JW_Rogue in

has anyone else noticed that in the wt study articles the main point they want you to remember is always somewhere around paragraph 11-14?

it's like a formula.

intro and overview paragraphs 1-4. basic wt stuff 5-8 (not controversial).

Listener

I didn't realize that but now that you mention it, yes, that's true.

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I've graduated at last

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

after a bit of a kerfuffle over a procedural matter, my university has awarded me a degree.

(the procedural problem was caused by my independent selection of what i wanted to study).

award : bachelor of arts.

Listener

A big congratulations FullTimeStudent.

I see that you did some studies on the Dead Sea Scrolls.

I was wondering, since the KJV was written before these were discovered, what affect, if any they have on that version?

If you're too busy celebrating to answer, I completely understand. :)

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LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

by Fay Dehr in

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

Listener

Slidin Fast - Did I understand correctly that they require a budget cut of 25% over 5 years? That is a monster cut back, in the commercial world a 2% loss in profits create a stock market run, 25% is an existential threat.

That's what it sounds like- they require a budget cut of 25% over the 5 yrs so that by the fifth year they are at the point of reducing spending by 25% for that year and going forward. It appears that they are expecting that they (the Branch's) will be spending 25% less by the fifth year than they are now.

For the 2016 year they asked that they spend 10% less for that year than previously so each year following will require more cuts in order to achieve the goal of 25% by the fifth year.

It's odd because we have seen financials for the Canadian, British and Australian Branch's. They aren't making losses but are sending a lot to HQ. Either HQ is badly in debt or they want to stockpile (siphon off) more money by having the Branch's spend less and sending more to HQ.

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Our very own pale.emperor on the "shunned" podcast.......

by dubstepped in

well, i offered in one of his threads to have him on the show and posters seemed excited at the possibility and we got it done so now you can hear from the man himself on the newest episode of "shunned".

one of our very own stepped up to tell his story, well, aside from myself of course.

it was great getting to actually speak with him.. this is my first international interview for the podcast.

Listener

Well done on 10,000 downloads dubstepped. It sounds like your audience are not just ex JWs/JWs, so it's great that you're able to reach to general public.