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OCT 2019 Watchtower - Survival dependant on loyalty to JW Leaders

by Listener in

there is so much wrong with the newly released october, 2019 but that's not unusual.

what stands out is there statement claiming that survival through armageddon depends on loyalty to those 'taking the lead'.

since they claim there will be a point during the gt that they (the gb) won't be physically around, jws must still be loyal to jw leaders.. whats interesting in this article is that they make it clear that they, the governing body are going to take part, from heaven, in the war of armageddon.

Listener

Brighton, I guess that's when they would say "we must wait on Jehovah" for the answers.

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J.W.'s - Your "faithful" slave reveals it is an EVIL & HYPOCRITICAL "slave!"

by The Fall Guy in

study watchtower october 2019, page 12, par.

17 - "a true christian must make sure that his secular employment has nothing to do with babylon the great.

for example, he would not be an employee of a church.

Listener

Too bad for the safety of others if a church needs some urgent electrical, plumbing or structural work and the only builders, plumbers or electricians in town are JWs.

You dare not risk having your photo taken and published in the local paper for helping out in some disaster.

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OCT 2019 Watchtower - Survival dependant on loyalty to JW Leaders

by Listener in

there is so much wrong with the newly released october, 2019 but that's not unusual.

what stands out is there statement claiming that survival through armageddon depends on loyalty to those 'taking the lead'.

since they claim there will be a point during the gt that they (the gb) won't be physically around, jws must still be loyal to jw leaders.. whats interesting in this article is that they make it clear that they, the governing body are going to take part, from heaven, in the war of armageddon.

Listener

Downtowner -

Don't forget the Helpers to the Governing Body can be of the other sheep. So they are probably being "groomed" to take over the leadership once there are no more GB left. 😒

True and this appears to be a carrot the GB is holding out to them as well as giving them more importance.

But in so doing the GB have appointed them into a position that doesn't exist in the bible and they are also claiming that they will provide God given direction suggesting it will be something beyond their current knowledge.

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There's also a picture in this magazine of Jesus coming with the Angels and 144,000 to destroy the wicked policemen who are about to shoot at the JWs. The JWs are all dressed in meeting clothes.

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OCT 2019 Watchtower - Survival dependant on loyalty to JW Leaders

by Listener in

there is so much wrong with the newly released october, 2019 but that's not unusual.

what stands out is there statement claiming that survival through armageddon depends on loyalty to those 'taking the lead'.

since they claim there will be a point during the gt that they (the gb) won't be physically around, jws must still be loyal to jw leaders.. whats interesting in this article is that they make it clear that they, the governing body are going to take part, from heaven, in the war of armageddon.

Listener

iwantoutnow, yes, absolutely but this is the garbage they are feeding their followers.

The same Watchtower also states that they are now living in the last of the 'last days' and they know that for sure because they are now further away from 1914 than ever.

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OCT 2019 Watchtower - Survival dependant on loyalty to JW Leaders

by Listener in

there is so much wrong with the newly released october, 2019 but that's not unusual.

what stands out is there statement claiming that survival through armageddon depends on loyalty to those 'taking the lead'.

since they claim there will be a point during the gt that they (the gb) won't be physically around, jws must still be loyal to jw leaders.. whats interesting in this article is that they make it clear that they, the governing body are going to take part, from heaven, in the war of armageddon.

Listener

There is so much wrong with the newly released October, 2019 but that's not unusual. What stands out is there statement claiming that survival through Armageddon depends on loyalty to those 'taking the lead'. Since they claim there will be a point during the GT that they (the GB) won't be physically around, JWs must still be loyal to JW leaders.

Whats interesting in this article is that they make it clear that they, the Governing Body are going to take part, from heaven, in the war of Armageddon. This infers the idea that you better do what they say, or else.

They are also making some predictions here. Firstly, that the JW Organization will remain 'organised' at all times and also that they will have in place a leadership without the GB.

They are stating that non anointed JWs will be dispensing God given direction in the future. How is this even possible, according to their own doctrines, since the FDS will no longer exist? Logic says that the FDS isn't needed after all. And who's going to appoint these new leaders? There is no biblical precedent for that either.

There isn't one scripture to back up the claim about survival being dependent upon these men but I guess since they are telling this to their followers now, they expect them to be obedient in this. If this were real then how are JWs to know who to follow if the GB aren't there?

What is puzzlying about this article is that it is not written from the GB or any anointed person because it is written from the angle of the writer being an 'other sheep'.

14. (a) What change will take place regarding the brothers who take the lead on earth? (b) Why will we need to be loyal at that time?
14 During the great tribulation, a change will take place regarding the brothers who take the lead on earth. At some point, all anointed ones who are still on earth will be gathered to heaven to share in the war of Armageddon. (Matt. 24:31; Rev. 2:26, 27) This means that the Governing Body will no longer

be with us on earth. However, the great crowd will remain organized. Capable brothers from among the other sheep will take the lead. We will need to show our loyalty by supporting these brothers and by following their God-given direction. Our survival will depend on it!

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In Sydney, and ex jw gathering, with an apperance by Angus Stewart!

by nonjwspouse in

this happened yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfyty9bs3i.

Listener

Apparently this was one of the largest ex JW gatherings, if not the largest. I don't know if that can be confirmed.

I think it was the Cetners that used to arrange large gatherings of ex JWs, Rick Feron would attend, he could probably confirm the sorts of numbers they would get.

Solzhenitsyn, there is a private Facebook group for Australian and New Zealand ex JWs where it was discussed. It was also mentioned, on occasion, on the ex JW reddit forum.

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In Sydney, and ex jw gathering, with an apperance by Angus Stewart!

by nonjwspouse in

this happened yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfyty9bs3i.

Listener

Another income earning activity that he conjured up was to have ex JWs pay him for the chance to have a little of their own sad story to be printed in his book, along with the authority to allow him to tweek their words.

At least this one wasn't illegal.

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In Sydney, and ex jw gathering, with an apperance by Angus Stewart!

by nonjwspouse in

this happened yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfyty9bs3i.

Listener

Half Banana, he doesn't spend all his time exposing the Watchtower. He spends time conjuring up ways of getting money. Printing copies of Crisis of Conscience and plastering his own website on the back of it and advertising them for sale when he wasn't the copyright owner or didn't have permission is one example.

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In Sydney, and ex jw gathering, with an apperance by Angus Stewart!

by nonjwspouse in

this happened yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfyty9bs3i.

Listener

Wake me up before you Jo-Ho
Yes, @Listener. Donations. Aren't you wondering how a five star, fully catered event on the harbor hosting 134 guests with NO cover charge got funded? I'm glad Lloyd did have the voice to speak up on behalf of the two generous hosts who single-handedly foot the bill of the entire event themselves. You know who you are. ❤️

No I wouldn't be wondering how an event like that was funded. I assumed that most people attending would have paid a cover charge and I think most people would have been prepared to do that. That was extremely generous of the two hosts to foot the entire bill themselves. Because, as you say, they footed the entire bill themselves which would have meant that nobody donated which is unfortunate.

Since Lloyd knew this then why did he get the hosts to ask for donations themselves rather than doing it himself and making it clear what the donations were going to be used for. It would have been very awkward for the hosts to ask for donations and also say that the donations were to reimburse their own costs. What a shame, since he's not by any means, backwards in coming forwards.

Anyway, as it was Lloyd already did his self promotion and personal money earning venture during the event by holding a session of book signing. I think someone said that he had cartons of both his books available.

I really think you are exaggerating a bit here Wakemeupbeforeyoujoho which is a shame. You claim that it was a fully catered event funded fully by the Hosts. You know full well that guests bought there own drinks which makes your statement incorrect. And before you go off the deep end again, I think that the Hosts were very, very generous, both of their time and money, it was very kind of them to do that.

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Question- do JWs use the term overlapping generations

by Xanthippe in

... or is that one of our memes?

thanks..

Listener

Xanthippe, when you talk to JWs at their cart ask them for a scripture that backs up their interpretation or is it just something the Governing Body (men) made up. They can't answer that and they will try to take the conversation in a different direction.