This is your first post here Tracy and I am wondering what your agenda is by bringing up this post about Barbara Anderson.
Barbara Anderson has worked for many years on Child Abuse and the JW organization. She is highly respected here and by many ex JWs. She has proven to be a serious problem for the organization and she has been discredited by them in the past.
You state that there is "some really good info sharing" in the link you provided which makes the claim that it is the victims who are the real hero's, whereas Barbara Anderson got something wrong. Could you please advise what this really good information is, rather than providing a link?
The link you do provide is from a poster that has only made three posts. Two of them are an attack on Steven Unthank, who was pivotal in highlighting JWs and their dealing with child abuse within Australia, well before the ARC was formed. The third post is the one you link to and is an attack on Barbara Anderson.
Whether or not the Elders in Australia were breaking the law by not obtaining a Working with Children clearence certificate is certainly up for debate but Steven Unthank was prepared to challenge this in court. Since the Australian Branch decided to comply with this law eventually then there was no further action required on his part to challenge their inactivity in this aspect. For the most part, it has become a non issue but it appears that there is someone or some people (JWs?, the Australian Bethel Branch?) who want to undermine the work of Steven Unthank and now Barbara Anderson.
I would think that both of these activists have much more important work involving JW child abuse activism than dealing with individuals who want to undermine that work. They are still both working very hard at attaining further reforms within the Watchtower. Their work has ultimately provided a better platform in which victims are better able to have their cases dealt with, either through personal support, reforms, and various other methods.
Again, could you please advise what this 'really good information' is?
Personally, I am of the opinion that this personal attack is nasty and somehow vindictive.
I haven't bothered to read the two reports written to undermine the efforts of Steven Unthank but it would come as no surprise if it did not include the very important work that he did on his submission to the Victorian Royal Commission on Child abuse and their review of the JW religion within Australia. Also, Steven Unthank provided a great deal of information here on this forum over the many years of his work in Australia (in real time) and included many documents and links to information as well as court proceedings.
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Victoria, Australia: Answers to questions asked by posters about the Steven Unthank criminal case against WT
by AndersonsInfo inin reply to questions raised in the thread i started on 10/3/11, victoria, australia: wtbts and gb of jws have shown themselves to be "guilty" respecting previous noncompliance with working with children laws,i said i would talk to contacts in australia and get some answers.
here is the link to the 10/3/11 thread:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/216634/1/victoria-australia-wtbts-and-gb-of-jws-have-shown-themselves-to-be-guilty-respecting-previous-noncompliance-with-e2809cworking-with-childrene2809d-laws.
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Bring to ruin those ruining the earth, but what if we change.
by pleaseresearch inthis has come up recently with two family members who are jws.
if they are talking about this you can bet that others are too.
they seem to be all excited that a lot of attention in the news right now is about climate change, greta, extinction rebellion etc... as you can image they are very smug saying see.
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They presented an amusing article in the Awake 1971 1/8 headed "Spaceship Earth in Deep Trouble"
It talks about Genesis 6:12 and those ruining the Earth.
The article says this (after explaining how the atmosphere is becoming loaded with poisonous gases causing eye irritation and infection.No wonder Life magazine of January 3, 1970, stated: “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support . . . predictions” such as: “In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution,” and “increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will affect earth’s temperature, leading to mass flooding or a new ice age.”
The Life Magazine article that they quote has been noted as one of the most ridiculous predictions in modern times. The Watchtower was responsible for pointing to this false prediction and it wasn't even in the Bible. They go to any length to make JWs feel Armageddon is coming any day. Climate change is just another method they are using.
FYI, you might be wondering what was the advice given to Wordly people (since it was written in the Awake). They wisely saidFarmers and gardeners can remember that there is nothing wrong with compost or other organic fertilizers or the use of crop rotation to build up the soil. And could it be that you do not need to use your car as much as you do, or could you walk to a nearby store? Is it possible to curb water waste in your home? As housewives, can you use good old laundry soap instead of water-polluting phosphate detergents?
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Ruin those Ruining th Earth
by peacefulpete init has been mentioned before but since we have been discussing environmental issues on another thread, i thought it might be timely to discuss rev 11:18 which has recently become a popular text for those christians concerned about environmental threats of pollution and climate change.
is this passage being interpreted correctly?
did the writer somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.
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An example of another bad interpretation simply to meet their agenda.
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Correspondence between GB and US Branch re WHQ relocation (2005-11)
by Corney inseven years ago multiple letters between the governing body and the us branch committee, as well as internal memos and e-mails were provided by watchtower to a us dictrict court in the course of discovery in the ramapo property case.
these documents are public records available through pacer, and now they are available for free on the case page here: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/5373802/lorterdan-properties-at-ramapo-i-llc-v-watchtower-bible-and-tract/ (see document no.
45 and attachments).i have also compiled all the internal documents in chronological order here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/15q-1_cylhxgesb0z4pkr5fjohz7u_y-p/view?usp=sharing 124 pages is a minuscule part of their archives but i hope somebody will find these documents interesting..
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Thanks Corney.
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Where are the funds going to come from? Warwick Expansion
by HiddenPimo inso with the news that they are remodeling patterson and expanding warwick, where are the funds going to come from?.
could this be a ruse like the need for thousands of kingdom halls proclaimed a few years back only to be replaced with the we realized the halls were not at capacity and the great sell-off began?.
maybe the hope is going to be that the sheep will give give give and then all of the sudden, after prayerful consideration the gb have determined that the current resources are sufficient to create the needed media and content.. my bet is that in 10 years it will all be consolidated to warwick and walkill and patterson will be sold to who i have no idea, but they own a ton of property in upstate ny..
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Neat Blue Dog, I think that's 50 million dollars a year (if 1 billion is 1,000,000,000)
Its been said on here for years that they are as much a Building business. They may be selling KHs but they've put a lot into huge projects. Why not? When you have no taxes to pay on land and possibly building materials?, a lot of free labor and a discriminatory slave employer then why not.
This new, huge project, is in its early stages yet they've just been selling off an incredible amount of tools and machinery only to buy more. The wastage of JWs money is staggering.
No wonder they made the statement to trust them even if what they do is not logical from a human stand point. Yes, it's not logical and they got the other bit right. What they are doing is not human.....
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From ABC News - Australia
by no-zombie inthis morning, this article appeared on our national online news channel; the abc.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-10/jehovahs-witness-abuse-exposed/11561776.
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It's amazing that any JW would want to support this organization, even more so, any JW parent.
It might be possible that the courts will view the JWs negatively for choosing not to join the redress scheme and making them look even worse in court cases.
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1975 and 1981?
by Steel inis it true that in 1975 the watchtower falsely predicted the end of the world and a great number of the membership quit and just a few years later they turned disassociation into disfellowshipping?
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Thanks Vienne. I meant to say that you make thoughtful posts like your mother did.
I didn't know you were only 15. You shouldn't feel bullied by anyone so I think you are making a wise choice.
I wish you all the best with your studies and it sounds like your mum would be very proud.
Thank you for your plans to keep us updated.
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1975 and 1981?
by Steel inis it true that in 1975 the watchtower falsely predicted the end of the world and a great number of the membership quit and just a few years later they turned disassociation into disfellowshipping?
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Vienne, I am sure there would be many of us that would miss you as you are knowledgeable in the history of Russell specifically as well as providing thoughtful comments.
Simon didn't introduce the thumbs up or down so that it would chas people off.
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Lorterdan properties v. Watchtower court ruling about Ramapo property
by Gorbatchov ini found this court ruling about the ramapo property.
is this the same were now the audio / video / digital content location is to be build?.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/7:2011cv03656/379925/39/.
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There's some info on Ex JW Reddit but this article makes it clearer
They won't say how much it is going to cost which isn't surprising.
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New Study Bible Photos!
by Atlantis innew study bible photos from reddit if you want them.
these are a bit larger photos.
see first page for info.. .
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Thanks Atlantis.
Someone posted that these Bibles won't be available until the end of next year. This means that those Slaves that were invited to the Meeting are even more privelaged having received a copy of this illustrated book. They'll be able to flash it around in front of the under privelaged slaves. A bit like the Kings guests being served Kobe Beef whilst the servants eat sausages.
No doubt, the Bethelite Slaves were ordered to keep silent about this as they were slaving day after producing it.
One of those photos shows images and is even headed as images. As I mentioned on another post, it is no different to having these images in their most holiest books than having pictures or carved objects displayed inside a Church. I think whoever decided to call these bible pictures 'images' is having a good laugh.
In that image that is being shown in the photo, I wonder why they have a young boy dangling a fish in front of him.
But what is interesting is the amount of cost the Watchtower is willing to go to, not to do their most important work of baptising people/recruiting them but for those that are already captive in the organization.