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  Michael Jackson's mom on his disassociation

  by neat blue dog in

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  from an interview with ebony magazine:.

  in 1987, he left the jehovah's witnesses.

  there was strong opposition to his "thriller" video on the part of some witnesses.

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  I was not required to "shun" my son. Our relationship is as loving today as it was when he was a Witness

  Given the context, this is an admission that she sees shunning as unloving.
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  There was also Barbara Anderson who accepted the second most prominent position of the newly formed AAWA, after Lloyd and she resigned within a very short period.

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  Kim and Mike, is it possible for you to be interviewed by Cappytan?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Kim and Mike state in their latest video that they have other information that they are unable to share. I am wondering if that information is evidence that makes the accusation provable beyond reasonable doubt?

  In their YouTube they don't present the accusation as being just that, an accusation but talk about the evidence they have already made public and what was disclosed within that, as being factual.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  It was Kim Brooks that posted the statement by Marko the other day and she states she did so to protect his identity. I don't know why a person's identity needs to be protected when they are making such a serious claim. It was Kim/Mike that knew to was this same Marko that posted the emails claiming to be between Lloyd and a 14 year old. They congratulate him for doing so on this thread.

  Mike/Kim posted this comment about six days ago on this thread -

  Many keep saying CONTACT THE AUTHORITIES! WHY HAVEN'T YOU CONTACTED THE AUTHORITIES?
  We did!
  Back in 2017, many of us contacted the British authorities, only to be told "Without a victim, without first-hand knowledge, like his wife, AND the perp fled the country,...NOTHING can be done"
  Croatia authorities were contacted, "The crime was committed in Britain, so unless a crime is committed in Croatia, nothing can be done"

  A number of ex JWs say they have now reported this claim, including Marc. I believe Marc & Cora are supportive friends of Kim & Mike so I don't think Kim & Mike would be happy to see them report to the police unless there was very credible evidence. But it's not being presented to us/publicly and it could be that they are trying to protect certain people.

  But why be happy to see some allegations being presented publicly, even being a catalyst for it knowing that it could not be substantiated? Since Mike & Kim have been happy to see this Marko present new 'evidence', it would suggest, going by Kim & Mike's comment above, that one of two things have recently happened.

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  They have found the victim who is willing to testify and/or

  Lloyd's wife is willing to testify (and present any evidence that she has, if those emails are real she would likely be the source of them)

  I don't believe the set of emails were ever presented publicly when the claim originally was made by Marko a number of years ago. Why not? Why would Lloyd's wife give them to him now when he broke her trust with private information a number of years ago?
  
  Marko has also closed his twitter account very recently.
  
  None of this is making much sense and anyone claiming to have contact with Marko aren't coming out with any information that is logical or makes it all credible.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Newly enlightened - We have been friends with Marko since 2015.
  We might come out with a video about this

  If you believe him to be a real person, can you provide the evidence? Do you know if Marko has made any other ex JW 'friends'?

  Over on reddit Truthdoesnotchange wrote this comment about the recent pdf statement by Marko

  The metadata in the document shows it was written by Kim Brooks. She and her husband have a long and antagonistic history with Lloyd and have been known to peddle in misinformation before. The document itself is largely being promoted by accounts on twitter and this sub that were created around the same time this controversy started. At this point, the i think it is wise to treat this statement with a healthy bit of skepticism.
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  Entire WT Library online

  by admirmitch in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  stumbled on this video online.

  looks like the entire wt library is online and available via login access.

  read some comments and presenter was a bethel insider so he had special access.

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  Most JWs don't have access, including Bethel wives. It wouldn't be surprising that not one female JW has access.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Slander is not a crime, it is a civil matter whereas harassment is criminal and he mentions harassing in his statement. He also says that he is seeking legal protection which suggests that he is not talking about suing but some form of protection maybe in the form of a cease and desist.

  What's interesting is that he claims most of the information said about him is untrue but he does not mention Kim once or even what sex the 'person' is. He only refers to the person as having been a close colleague and volunteer.

  It's sad that he has no understanding as to why Kim felt the need to disclose the information about him. How can he have any understanding of abuse victims if this is the case?
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  AM III off topic remarks online @ jw.org

  by Gorb in

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  2. friends

  am iiii off topic remarks at the anual meeting, are online at broadcasting.. he says in the early 70s he did not believe the end was near, and told his sons not to believe jw's who stating the end is near because the system could go on to 2020.. g..

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  The Blue Envelope from Youtube had done some research into his history and found that in 1975 Anthony and his wife stood down from full time witnessing. It was that year that their first son Jessy was born. His second son was born in 1977. This means that this talk that he gave to his sons couldn't have taken place until the 1980s.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CxX-L8sQu8
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Is it just me or did he seem proud of the fact that he was paying prostitutes rather than having an affair?

  There's a lot of censoring going on at ex JW Reddit, moderators have even asked that they use the term sex worker instead of hooker or prostitute. What term did Lloyd use?
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  Well what do you know gb finally understanding social isolation or shunning.

  by Yomama in

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  update some upstanding jw are experiencing social isolation isnt that what df and da people feel?reap sow karma..

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  Smiddy3, it's Kenneth Cook, I just added the y as I thought it sounded better. He's the most recent Governing Body member.

  This is the link to the video

  https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/FeaturedLibraryVideos/docid-702022003_1_VIDEO