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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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KIMSILVIO - Sorry if I sounded snappy, that wasn’t my intended tone xx

It's not a problem at all Kim. I read the comments (and added my own) on your latest video and you get a variety of viewpoints. You've got to have thick skin. You obviously read them all and comment when you want. I like your attitude of putting the information out there (which you've personally verified to your satisfaction) and let people draw their own conclusions.

I'm sure it's helping in reducing the numbers of supporters in his activism.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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KIMSILVIO I am not questioning your credibility or asking you to verify anything. You made a good video and it's great that you put it out there.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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That's a good question Toblerone. She may choose to explain why she believes it is him.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Lloydevansparody - "Why? Why is it so important? No one is asking you and anyone else to believe it. The information is there. Follow the money is a good say. Do your homework. We did. "

You said that the source was 100% verifiable and not only that but it has also been verified. I am simply asking you, the person making the claim, how and by whom it's been verified.

I have done my homework and I find it very difficult to verify that it is Lloyd Evans. It's possible that it could have been verified, particularly if someone on the dating site made a date with him and met up with him or talked to him on the phone. I don't have the resources or opportunity to verify it but since you say that it is 100% verifiable and has been verified, you seem unable to actually support your very own claim.

Now that's interesting in itself. I've seen Kim and Mike behave in this same manner before. They make certain claims as if they are fact and when questioned they can't prove it. They sometimes use the same phrase of 'do your homework' when they can't provide any evidence. You wouldn't happen to be either Kim or Mike by any chance? After all, you suggested that because the comments on the dating site looked like the behaviour we have come to expect of Lloyd, then it must be Lloyd. Therefore, on the same basis I could conclude that you are either Kim or Mike. The problem is, it would just be an assumption. I certainly couldn't claim it to be 100% verifiable and verified.

Its also interesting that you said, in relation to doing your homework, that WE did.

Who really is Lloydevansparody? Obviously it's not one person since you refer to this username being 'We' and not 'I'.

I don't understand why people make posts or video's claiming that certain things are verifiable and are unwilling or unable to prove their claim.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Lloydsevanparody - You said it again, that is, the source is reliable. You previously said "The source is 100% reliable. It has been verified."

Could you please clarify the source that is reliable and how it was verified?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Lloydsevansparody - I agree with you, it is right to be cautious however, I didn't find any of your comments to be reassuring.

You said

Marko (not his name) was a real person. Some on here talked to him. Unfortunately he disappeared eventually.

It comes as no surprise that people spoke to "Marko". I think many people spoke to "Billy the Bethelite". Some even thought he was really Billy and still working in Bethel.

I don't think it's ever been suggested that Marko (not his real name) is not a real person. These claims weren't coming out of the sky or made up by a robot. They were being related by a real person. The issue is, whether the claims were true or not and whether Marko was who he claimed to be, Lloyd's BIL.

Regarding the comments from Lloyd Evans on the True Dating site, how was this 100% verified as you claim? Have you verified it or are you saying that someone else has and you believe them, without any evidence?

Anyone can go in an join the True Dating website without any POI whatsoever.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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TonusOH So the question becomes, will he file a civil suit before 2025? Or is he hoping everyone forgets about it by then?

Tom/JW Fairy Tale was very clear in calling out Lloyd/Cedars as a pedo back in 2017, this was through the Vast Apostate Army who were happy to publicly air this. His claim was that Lloyd had been caught out for cyber sexting a 14 year old and jacking off in front of her, his wife caught him and this is why he got deleted as an Elder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhlcsfgMYw8

If Lloyd wasn't prepared to lodge any civil cases against people calling him a pedophile back in 2017 then is he really going to bother to sue anyone for much less?

At that time, in 2017, Lloyd said that he was going to sue Tom and other members of the VAH. They told him to 'bring it on' and he never did.

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Michael's story, shunning suicide funeral this past weekend

by nibbled in

wow.

this story is so stunningly sad.

the good guy finishes last, as he has a crisis of conscience and ends up leaving behind four kids.

Listener

This is very sad.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Is it possible that he's gone back to England for the month to look at relocating there? It's hard to imagine that he would move so far from his children but with Lloyd Evans, it's all about Lloyd Evans.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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I saw this post made on a thread regarding Steven Unthank. A poster going by the user name of 'the-real-BCG' wrote a resonse to comments that Lloyd Evans had made. It's on ex JW Reddit -

...Secondly, educate yourself about the legal processes and issues involved with reporting child sexual abuse. Without stepping outside the confines of JW religious doctrine and beliefs and educating yourself how can you honestly expect to do better than the Watchtower. Inside the religion, education was discouraged because it kept everyone believing unsupported claims.
This thread is an example of why we need to start educating ourselves instead of just believing anything that is published.
Cedars1929, while I understand that you are passionate about being loud in your activism for victims of child sexual abuse, do you realise that by using some of your chosen forms of activism you are unknowingly harming some victims. I cannot stress enough how important it is to educate yourself.
To put it simply:
WARNING: TO ALL VICTIMS SHARING THEIR STORY PUBLICLY PRIOR TO REPORTING THEIR SEXUAL ASSAULT TO POLICE - YOU ARE DAMAGING YOUR CHANCES OF A SUCCESSFUL PROSECUTION. PLEASE DO NOT SHARE YOUR STORY PUBLICLY UNTIL YOU HAVE REPORTED TO POLICE.
This is one of the main reasons I decided to speak with you privately. I tried to educate you on why it is important to get written consent from the victims stories you publish. As a producer of a documentary and an activist you have an obligation and to know this information and educate people. It is imperative that you advise people about the impact of producing information about someone’s sexual assault.
In obtaining their written consent you SHOULD be informing them that if at any time in the future they choose to make a criminal complaint, their case will be jeopardised by publicly sharing their story. Your choices as an activist impact other people’s ability to obtain criminal justice. Unfortunately many victims are unaware of this fact, they naively give up their story for the cause at their own cost. Being subject to sexual assault myself, the number one issue that was important to me was the ability to seek justice for what happened. I am pretty sure that it is also the number one issue for many other people that have been in the same circumstances as me.
Cedars1929 there is so much legally about this topic that you need to educate yourself on. Otherwise you can inadvertently and unknowingly be causing more harm than good.
Just revisiting our goals, how we choose to do achieve our activism goals matter.
BCG activism goal:
is to protect children, expose JW practices and assist people while respecting other people’s consent = desired outcome is to hold the Watchtower accountable.
protects victims rights to criminally prosecute
cedars1929 activism goal:
is to take down the Watchtower at any cost = desired outcome is hold the Watchtower accountable
jeopardises victims rights to prosecute
For al those reading this thread, this information should not be used to vilify cedars1929, I do not want that to happen. It is not the reason why I clarified cedars1929 comment. It is my hope that cedars1928 will now listen and learn from a second effort to explain why I raised issue with consent. I have decided to share this information in reply to cedars1929 comment above to educate the Ex JW community and cedars1929 why it is important to start educating yourselves - we need to do better.
I believe that many activists are doing “what they believe” is in the best interests of people, but there is a very big difference between someone’s belief and what is factually helpful. BCG’s Hot Tip: is to educate yourself about the issues you are advocating about.
I would personally like to see the Ex JW community unite. For the record, cedars1929, I have no animosity towards you whatsoever, I am still open to discussion with you, please let me know if you have any questions or want to discuss the issues addressed above please use my email it is: [email protected]
I will be speaking about why the issue of “consent” is so foreign to the Ex JW community in a video in my YouTube channel.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/d6plyk/did_steven_unthank_really_take_watchtower_to_court/

I think the warning to abuse victims is well considered and I wonder if Lloyd bothers to share this advise with those victims that he interviews or if he even thinks this is important.

In the blog that Evans made, he states at 3. a. (caps are mine)

Anyone wishing to accuse me of perpertrating crime should be going to the police before posting on social media IF THEY TRUELY CARE ABOUT THE CRIME ITSELF OR ANY POTENTIAL VICTIMS.

How many victims has he told to report the crime or seek professional advice before he agrees to publish their story?

He mimics the Watchtower with his play on words such as calling himself a professional. Lloyd states that he is a professional activist but he is no professional. He has not demonstrated any real professionalism when dealing with victims of abuse. He plays at a game of splashing their stories on his social media accounts with no proper guidance or assistance. He profits from their stories, even makes a full time living from it and appears to do very little for them.