(via free minds).
jehovah's witness elders lie and call police.
on october 31, 2010 jehovah's witnesses elders lie when asked by charles huff, also a jehovah's witness, if they shun ex-members of the jehovah's witnesses' religion.
I'll guess 98% of the posters here don't have the nerve of this guy.
What nerve? He's confronting weak-chinned pacifist milksops who wouldn't say shit if they had a mouthful. For his next video he should knock on the door of the local Hell's Angels clubhouse and wag his finger at them. Now that would be nervy.
if one was to take a poll of all the registered users of this board he might be surprised by the number of people who still attend meetings and/or still go door to door.
a contributor to a recent thread, expressing worry that she is on the threshold of being outed, posited that fear is what fills the seats in the kingdom hall.
fear, not love.
If one was to take a poll of all the registered users of this board he might be surprised by the number of people who still attend meetings and/or still go door to door. A contributor to a recent thread, expressing worry that she is on the threshold of being outed, posited that fear is what fills the seats in the Kingdom Hall. Fear, not love. That fear, of being labeled an apostate or unworthy and subsequently disfellowshipped and shunned, contributes significantly to the glue that binds the organisation together. The threat of disfellowshipping, particularly of those who are born-in, represents a great and painful punishment for failure to conform. Loss of family, friends, social safety net, even one's job and inheritance.
The effect is that at least some of the people who you rub shoulders with at the meetings don't want to be there. While they for the most part retain their faith in God and Jesus they are Jehovah's Witnesses in name only and would very much like to leave. Their secret thoughts by Society definition disqualify them from being part of God's chosen people. Yet they quietly and meekly remain, not because they want to, but because they have no other viable choice. They are shackled to the Watchtower, prisoners held against their will. Artificially higher membership in the Society contributes to its worldly and material presence, but what advantage is this to God?
What your Governing Body seems not to realise is the practice of disfellowshipping and shunning is causing the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society to rot from within. If we set aside the contradictions and assume for a moment that the Society's representation of being God's Chosen People is indeed Truth, do you really think God wants these people in His organisation?
mark 12: 28-31 - 28 one of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating.
noticing that jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, of all the commandments, which is the most important?.
29 the most important one, answered jesus, is this: hear, o israel: the lord our god, the lord is one.30 love the lord your god with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.31 the second is this: love your neighbor as yourself.
Answer to the question: Love is the most difficult emotion to generate spontaneously and to manifest a reasonable facimile of it requires intense focus and strict adherence to the conditions of His love for you. It comes down to compliance. The incentive/disincentive to love/not love Him is an extreme form of psychological manipulation and control crafted by the human architects of this desert faith.
mark 12: 28-31 - 28 one of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating.
noticing that jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, of all the commandments, which is the most important?.
29 the most important one, answered jesus, is this: hear, o israel: the lord our god, the lord is one.30 love the lord your god with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.31 the second is this: love your neighbor as yourself.
Because he doesn't deserve it. This Almighty Lowlife Scumbag wants us to love him, yet he doesn't want us to ever have a reason to. Rather, he wants to give us every reason to HATE him, yet demand under death and/or hell threats that we love him anyways. Hopefully, this will not work--and all the more so with the Internet exposing this Almighty Lowlife Scumbag as being nothing more than a Baghead.
Hey, WTWiz, don't sugar coat it. Tell us how you really feel. (sorry, an old cliché, but it seems appropriate). It comes across almost as if you believe He exists, which is counterintuitive, since you're just gonna piss Him off and He'll just squash you like a bug but only after He gives you cancer of the rectum, blnds you, cripples you, covers your body with sores, makes all your hair fall out, commands you to kill your children and sends a plague of locusts to your local Piggly Wiggly to devour your favourite cookies. You shouldn't mess with Jehovah that way. You don't want to get Him ticked.
we interrupt your forum posting for this 'just in' item...... it appears an elder has not locked his doctor's bag and a member of the conscious class has brazeningly swiped & scanned a copy of the s-55e.
(((thank you anonymous cc jw!.
for the purpose of our bethel audience i want to assure you no actual elder was willingly involved in the obtaining of this scan.. link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/mnf7a0.
And I had to laugh at the new WTBTS expression "mature adolescent". This from the organisation that has spent years telling such ones that they are in "the bloom of youth" and too immature to make important decisions on their own (such as dating or deciding what education they should have). And how does the Societies term harmonise with their definition as given below.
Oh, that's rich. But they're allowed to make the important decision of being baptised when they're 12 or 13 or younger which means if they have an epiphany about the Society later on in life and decide they want to leave it they will lose their families, too.
we interrupt your forum posting for this 'just in' item...... it appears an elder has not locked his doctor's bag and a member of the conscious class has brazeningly swiped & scanned a copy of the s-55e.
(((thank you anonymous cc jw!.
for the purpose of our bethel audience i want to assure you no actual elder was willingly involved in the obtaining of this scan.. link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/mnf7a0.
If the JWs are wrong on such an issue
First they have the wrong dates, now the wrong doctrines
What happens when you change a policy that's dead wrong?
but their best bet would be to come out and say they were wrong.
Historically they're just WRONG
They can just say they were wrong historically and, because it isn't based on revelation, they can continue on.
At some point people inside are going to glom onto that word you used so often, CS, and just say the hell with it.
Personally, I'd be honoured to shake the mole's hand, and slip him a couple of hundred in appreciation for his good work.
http://www.slate.com/id/2276919/?gt1=38001.
ah, well... nobody's perfect.. peace!.
sa, of the "well, maybe except christ class", on her own....
Peace back atcha, sister.
http://www.slate.com/id/2276919/?gt1=38001.
ah, well... nobody's perfect.. peace!.
sa, of the "well, maybe except christ class", on her own....
This is borne, though, dear one... not as a result of me being afraid that you will change MY beliefs... but you and others being afraid I will change yours.
You are half wrong and half right, Shelby. My beliefs are not based on faith so I have no fear of changing them. I will embrace anything I perceive to be truth based on evidence. If you can provide genuine proof that the Theory of Evolution is wrong and that Adam and Eve were the first of humankind, I will gladly hear it now without the formality of debate (and I will be proud to say "I know her!" when you collect the Nobel Prize for Science.) I have no doubt, however, that you are fearless that I cannot change YOUR beliefs, which is pretty much my point. To have that conversation with you would either be an exercise in frustration for me or would have the consequence of shaking you to the core. No win. You are either absolutely immovable in your faith regardless of the force applied to it or you are foolishly courageous. I care to be involved with neither. I will take my counsel from Luke 9:5.
http://www.slate.com/id/2276919/?gt1=38001.
ah, well... nobody's perfect.. peace!.
sa, of the "well, maybe except christ class", on her own....
taking away the Adam and Eve story takes away the rationale for the messiah
As the "savior" yes, dear Nick (again, peace to you!)... which is what most tend to think of when they hear the word "messiah." For me, it means "chosen/anointed one." I believe, therefore, that he still would have been appointed/chosen...
I will take your long response as a yes, Shelby. In which case you must allow me to tell you why I will not debate the origins of man with you. Be assured it is not out of disrespect or prejudice but because it is so clearly a lose/lose proposition. Your mind is not open to even the tiniest revelation of the nature I offer. That means no matter what I say to you, whatever proof or logic I offer, you will reject it because you just know deep within your heart and soul that it must be either wrong or very clever lies perpetrated by Satan. If I am mistaken and that wall you have constructed around your mind turns out not to be impenatrable and the tiniest thing should happen to get through and cause you to have even the smallest doubt that Adam and Eve were real, there is no telling what you would do, and I will take neither risk nor responsibility for that eventuality.
As a gently offered aside, if you can discipline yourself to keep your posts to a more manageable length, people will be more inclined to read them. Another modest suggestion is to tone down the rhetoric just a little. I realise it is your trademark of sorts, but it may be having the opposite effect to what you are intending (if what you are intending is to reach out to people). It is never too late to change one's approach.
I wish you peace and wisdom,
Nickolas
http://www.slate.com/id/2276919/?gt1=38001.
ah, well... nobody's perfect.. peace!.
sa, of the "well, maybe except christ class", on her own....
That's cool, jnfb.
I'm signing off, Shelby. I've wasted enough time fiddling with this keyboard today. Time to spend a little quality time with the old gal. Catch up to you later.
