hi active jw - I agree with you. Definitely a figment of someones imagination or an embellished account
Curtains
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Does anybody in London know anything about this???
by brizzzy ini'm a californian, but a good friend in london just texted me saying there's a blitz of about 50 jehovah's witnesses in croydon right outside of where she's eating loaded up with watchtowers and setting up a stall and a speaker with a megaphone.
she also says that some of them are women in wheelchairs and that they're rolling in front of passers by and blocking them when they try to ignore them.
she says all of the pedestrians are telling them to fuck off and leave them alone because they're not interested in a cult, haha.. is this something new that the society is encouraging over there (or even more scary, everywhere?
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Keep Your Family, Follow Ray Franz' Example. Think Smart!
by believingxjw ini feel terrible for those who have lost their families.
after reading coc, and after the shock of it, many of us hurried to leave and hurried to get our families out only to find ourselves on the outs with our loved ones.
but is that the best or only option?
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I would ask skeeter how much easier it would have been for him if one of his parents did not believe in the Jehovahs witness doctrine but had stayed on to suppport him in his doubts and questions?
just look at our very own yknot
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Keep Your Family, Follow Ray Franz' Example. Think Smart!
by believingxjw ini feel terrible for those who have lost their families.
after reading coc, and after the shock of it, many of us hurried to leave and hurried to get our families out only to find ourselves on the outs with our loved ones.
but is that the best or only option?
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I agree with you believingxjw - I'm so glad you have aired this topic.
I know of so many mates who have stayed and who display all the qualities Moshe says are not displayed by those who stay on. These ones have had the courage to not only benefit their children but also themselves. Thye have also been true to themselves like hamlet.
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Ray Franz Was Wrong
by Farkel ingod rest his soul.
although i never met him personally, he and i did correspond a number of times, and i have numerous friends who have not only met him, but stayed several days with he and cynthia at their home.
if nothing else, ray was kind, non-judging, and generous.
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farkel, this may be of interest to you from an email Ray sent to brotherdan
" I am sure you appreciate the need for patience during a time of transition. I feel that there is no experience that cannot bring some benefit, if we're willing to work to that end. Some of those experiences we characterize as negative and unpleasant can often teach more than those we view as pleasurable. At the same time that does not excuse from responsibility those who contributed to our making decisions that we would probably not have made had we not been misinformed. It was probably the rather cavalier, insensitive spirit so often manifest in Governing Body discussions that most disturbed me. "
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Ray Franz Emails: Part 3 - Final
by brotherdan inhere is the final email i received from ray prior to his death.. [if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:worddocument> <w:view>normal</w:view> <w:zoom>0</w:zoom> <w:trackmoves /> <w:trackformatting /> <w:punctuationkerning /> <w:validateagainstschemas /> <w:saveifxmlinvalid>false</w:saveifxmlinvalid> <w:ignoremixedcontent>false</w:ignoremixedcontent> <w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext>false</w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext> <w:donotpromoteqf /> <w:lidthemeother>en-us</w:lidthemeother> <w:lidthemeasian>x-none</w:lidthemeasian> <w:lidthemecomplexscript>x-none</w:lidthemecomplexscript> <w:compatibility> <w:breakwrappedtables /> <w:snaptogridincell /> <w:wraptextwithpunct /> <w:useasianbreakrules /> <w:dontgrowautofit /> <w:splitpgbreakandparamark /> <w:dontvertaligncellwithsp /> <w:dontbreakconstrainedforcedtables /> <w:dontvertalignintxbx /> <w:word11kerningpairs /> <w:cachedcolbalance /> </w:compatibility> <w:browserlevel>microsoftinternetexplorer4</w:browserlevel> <m:mathpr> <m:mathfont m:val="cambria math" /> <m:brkbin m:val="before" /> <m:brkbinsub m:val="--" /> <m:smallfrac m:val="off" /> <m:dispdef /> <m:lmargin m:val="0" /> <m:rmargin m:val="0" /> <m:defjc m:val="centergroup" /> <m:wrapindent m:val="1440" /> <m:intlim m:val="subsup" /> <m:narylim m:val="undovr" /> </m:mathpr></w:worddocument> </xml><!
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dear daniel,.
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Curtains
here is another email Ray sent to brotherdan. Thanks brotherdan for delving deeply into these subjects and like you I don't agree with everything Ray says but I really like this bit - so true
"Life has its seasons and each difficult season that we weather strengthens us for the future. Life is also a journey and we cannot make progress in it if our focus is mainly on where we have been; that could lead to emotional inertia or even entropy. What is done is done. The journey inevitably contains challenge, but we can find encouragement in knowing that we are moving on, making at least some progress, and can feel confident that what is ahead can be fulfilling.
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Ray Franz Emails: Part 2
by brotherdan inhere is a second email from ray sent just a few months before he passed away:.
dear daniel,.
i can sympathize with you in the feeling of a measure of uncertainty that you experience.
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Curtains
"I don't know." - now that could be a refreshing quote for the 'Years Text'!
clarity
it sure would clarity ;))))
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Ray Franz Emails: Part 2
by brotherdan inhere is a second email from ray sent just a few months before he passed away:.
dear daniel,.
i can sympathize with you in the feeling of a measure of uncertainty that you experience.
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Curtains
every time I go back over what Ray says I find something new
"Many former Witnesses make a 180° turn in virtually all doctrinal beliefs. They have either been convinced or allowed themselves to be convinced of certain doctrines. During the many decades of my association with the Witnesses I was also convinced, sincerely so. My beliefs on many, many points has changed radically; but I have not made some type of wholesale change, simply because I have made change only where the Bible itself led me to such change. What I regrettable is the fact that, while changing radically their beliefs, many former Witnesses retain the dogmatism that so characterizes the Watch Tower organization and other religions who claim to posses "absolute truth." Some who leave become even more dogmatic as regards their new views ("new" to them, though essentially part of the creed of orthodoxy developed over the centuries). As I mentioned to one acquaintance, among some of these "ex-Witnesss" groups I feel like I am back again among Jehovah's Witnesses, with their attitude of having the Truth, the only truth (truth in this case generally being the equivalent of "orthodox" doctrine.) In place of the organization controlling their thinking and requiring subservience, dictating how they shall understand Scripture, orthodoxy now does the same."
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Ray Franz Emails: Part 2
by brotherdan inhere is a second email from ray sent just a few months before he passed away:.
dear daniel,.
i can sympathize with you in the feeling of a measure of uncertainty that you experience.
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Curtains
bringing this back -
ray says
I personally find it a relief not to feel that I must have the answer for everything
I say
wise words
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Ray Franz Emails: Part 2
by brotherdan inhere is a second email from ray sent just a few months before he passed away:.
dear daniel,.
i can sympathize with you in the feeling of a measure of uncertainty that you experience.
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Curtains
great discussion going on here. I like this from Ray Franz
"Part of the problem can be in our feeling we should have absolute certainty about virtually everything stated in Scripture. But that fails to recognize the truth stated by the apostle that we on some things at least "we now see as in a mirror, dimly" and that full and complete understanding is yet ahead. *1 Corinthians 13:12) It is comforting to know that the basic message of Scripture is essentially simple, within the grasp of those who are in a sense like babes. (Matthew 11:25, 26) I personally find it a relief not to feel that I must have the answer for everything. Attempts to know the unknowable, define the undefinable, lie at the root of much of the confusion and division found today. I remember a comment by the author of the bookThe Fire that Consumes, who, on dealing with a certain text that allowed for more than one explanation, said that he thought the right position toward the text was one of "reverent agnosticism," that is, out of respect for God being willing to admit that he did not know or was unsure. I am personally drawn to persons who acknowledge that they don't have all the answers, and repelled by those who gives the appearance of feeling that they do."
nice one Ray
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NEED HELP! WTS accusing Dirtclod.com of copyright infringement
by Jourles ini just got this email this evening from the cto of my hosting provider: i am writing you in regards to your site www.dirtclod.com.
we have been forwarded a copy of a complaint that was sent to our upstream provider regarding your site and the content which is posted on your site.
it would seem that you are posting copyrighted sections and images which are legal property of watchtower bible and tract society of new york inc. please remove these offending letters and images which are being claimed are used without permission, or provide us a statement which allows you to publish/reproduce this content on your website.
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Curtains
I think elsewhere makes a good point
"Maybe they were just saber-rattling... they wanted to try to scare you into doing what they want when they really have no intention doing anything because it will draw too much attention.
JWs like to say that XJWs are liars and alter digital images to make it look like the WTS said one thing when it really said another... if the WTS complains about the items on your web site then that means that they are accurate reproductions of WTS material."
And I hear your shepherd. thanks for the clearheaded advice.