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  Does the Issue of Universal Sovereignty make sense to you as an explanation for evil?

  by gubberningbody in

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  it used to for me, and now it doesn't.. i'm not sure how i was able to accept that argument now that i don't, but perhaps it was connected with my increasing compassion for people and their personal suffering as i've grown older.. now it seems like a sick excuse.

  more like a bar-bet with satan and all of creation suffers.. i read paul's words and he has no rejoiner except to say in effect "sucks to be a vessel of wrath...glad i'm not one, but who are you to complain anyway, huh?

  who's bigger, smarter and more powerful than you, you, you complaining vessel of wrath, you.

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  Never made sense to me. All it does is prove there is NO god. If there was a god he just would not allow wickness at all. Period.
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  Was being a Ministerial Servant a Prerequisite for Marriage

  by Pitchess Co-Gen in

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  i'm asking this because when i was in ( disfellowshipped in 2009 ) some "sisters" wouldn't even look at you unless you had the title ministerial servant or worse elder.

  i notice this when i was in because one of my friends thinks that by becoming a ms he could get the better looking witness girls.

  tell me your stories of this..

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  It seems there were some hotties who wanted the "bad boys" or the unbaptized ones who were studying. But I think most sisters wanted a brother with a title. I did have a few sisters show interest in me when I was just a publisher, but once I became a MS and was giving public talks I had sisters showing up at my house, calling me up (all the elders and MS phone numbers were on the information board) and stalking me. And some of those phone calls were rather, um, direct. They'd start saying how much they like to perform oral sex, and things like that.

  Oh, and during the CO visit, you know how everyone shows up for Saturday field service and the CO asks about car groups, well the single sisters would tell him they wanted to work with me. The CO would then view me as some kind of undershepherd and assign me over them.
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  "You don't even exist."

  by snakeface in

  1. watchtower
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  recently i remembered another example which shows how hateful and unchrist-like the witnesses are brainwashed into being.. a long time ago, when i was a pioneer, i was hanging out with a group of long-time pioneers after the district convention, in the stadium hallway.

  some had been pioneering for more than 10 years and therefore were considered to be spiritually mature.

  a woman who appeared to be a sister was walking by; she paused and greeted us and said something like, "what a great program that was.

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  Maybe they were waiting for this woman to wash their feet with hers tears and dry them with her hair.
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  "You don't even exist."

  by snakeface in

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  recently i remembered another example which shows how hateful and unchrist-like the witnesses are brainwashed into being.. a long time ago, when i was a pioneer, i was hanging out with a group of long-time pioneers after the district convention, in the stadium hallway.

  some had been pioneering for more than 10 years and therefore were considered to be spiritually mature.

  a woman who appeared to be a sister was walking by; she paused and greeted us and said something like, "what a great program that was.

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  Good point, Reality79. Jesus "the exemplar" did not condone their conduct, and he did not invite them to a social gathering, but he still acknowledged their existence as fellow creatures of Jehovah. After all, it was Jehovah who gave them free will; they did not create it themselves.
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  "You don't even exist."

  by snakeface in

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  recently i remembered another example which shows how hateful and unchrist-like the witnesses are brainwashed into being.. a long time ago, when i was a pioneer, i was hanging out with a group of long-time pioneers after the district convention, in the stadium hallway.

  some had been pioneering for more than 10 years and therefore were considered to be spiritually mature.

  a woman who appeared to be a sister was walking by; she paused and greeted us and said something like, "what a great program that was.

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  lola-rabbit, that is so sad, the way that sister was basically thrown away. The elders probably made that up. The person probably had repented long long long before then.
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  "You don't even exist."

  by snakeface in

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  recently i remembered another example which shows how hateful and unchrist-like the witnesses are brainwashed into being.. a long time ago, when i was a pioneer, i was hanging out with a group of long-time pioneers after the district convention, in the stadium hallway.

  some had been pioneering for more than 10 years and therefore were considered to be spiritually mature.

  a woman who appeared to be a sister was walking by; she paused and greeted us and said something like, "what a great program that was.

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  rebel8, good point. Of course I knew that scripture, which says "whoever says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works" and another that says, along with not eating with them, "Not even saying a greeting" but I thought of it as, Whoever initiates a greeting, whoever goes up to them and opens a conversation with them. I wasn't intending to stand there and engage in a long discussion. If I had dropped by book and a DF person picked it up for me, should I not say "Thank you" to that person? (I am sure most witnesses would not in such a scenario.) All this is the way I apparently understood that scripture from the very beginning, although I never really thought about it or discussed it with anyone. I spoke and acted from my heart. My conscience was my guide.

  To ignore the person's greeting would by extension imply I have determined that the person is not worthy of my greeting and that the ransom has not yet covered that person's sin. I believe that's what these witnesses feel, that Jehovah hates this person and they are not worthy of forgiveness unless they jump thru hoops in which case the elders get in between the person and Jehovah and try to get Jehovah to change his mind about destroying them.

  The underlying principles should be Love and Mercy.
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  "You don't even exist."

  by snakeface in

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  2. beliefs

  recently i remembered another example which shows how hateful and unchrist-like the witnesses are brainwashed into being.. a long time ago, when i was a pioneer, i was hanging out with a group of long-time pioneers after the district convention, in the stadium hallway.

  some had been pioneering for more than 10 years and therefore were considered to be spiritually mature.

  a woman who appeared to be a sister was walking by; she paused and greeted us and said something like, "what a great program that was.

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  NewChapter, that's funny: "little bitches for Jehovah..." A new religion, the JB's... Jehovah's Bitches. ha ha Men can be appointed MS's and women can be appointed JB's.
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  "You don't even exist."

  by snakeface in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently i remembered another example which shows how hateful and unchrist-like the witnesses are brainwashed into being.. a long time ago, when i was a pioneer, i was hanging out with a group of long-time pioneers after the district convention, in the stadium hallway.

  some had been pioneering for more than 10 years and therefore were considered to be spiritually mature.

  a woman who appeared to be a sister was walking by; she paused and greeted us and said something like, "what a great program that was.

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  Recently I remembered another example which shows how hateful and unChrist-like the witnesses are brainwashed into being.

  A long time ago, when I was a pioneer, I was hanging out with a group of long-time pioneers after the district convention, in the stadium hallway. Some had been pioneering for more than 10 years and therefore were considered to be spiritually mature. A woman who appeared to be a sister was walking by; she paused and greeted us and said something like, "What a great program that was." I did not know her, but the others did and knew she was disfellowshipped. I personally would have said, "Yes, it sure was," and continued on my way. But they said to each other things like, "Did you hear something?" and "No, you couldn't have because there is no one there." and "I did NOT hear something -" and turning to the woman - "because I do not even know you. I don't know you at all. In fact, you don't even exist." The woman stood emotionless, then continued on her way. The pioneers explained to me that she was disfellowshipped, and that she obviously is not accepting her discipline if she's going around trying to talk to people.

  Later we met up with other pioneers, and of course this group started telling the other group, "So-and-so is here, she even tried to talk to us..." the other group said yes they saw her too, she is in the process of being reinstated. The first group was saying things like, "She's not ready to be reinstated if she is not accepting Jehovah's discipline..." I tried to explain to them that the program is, we do not share spiritual things with disfellowshipped persons nor invite them to gatherings. Other than that they are still human beings. For example, if one says, "Good morning," it is proper - and Christlike - to respond "Good Morning". If they come to the hall it is proper to hold the door for them, help them find a seat, and treat them like any other visitor (even though they are not a potential Bible study).

  I myself have at least been civil to disfellowshipped persons. After all, if they're at the hall or at an assembly that should tell you something right there. It's not like they are still "out in the world" committing gross sins unrepentantly. They know they're disfellowshipped, and there's no need to remind them or look down upon them. I always thought, "There but for the grace of God go I." Or as Jesus said, the one who has not sinned may throw the first stone.

  A couple of years later, while walking thru the hall at a convention site, I came across a pioneer sister (from another congregation) whom I had not seen in about a year. I started talking to her, but she suddenly started trembling and crying, and her face turned red. She said to me, "I'm sorry, but I haven't been reinstated yet." She realized that I did not know she was disfellowshipped, and now she was forced to shamefully tell me she was. I felt compassion for her. I responded with something like, "It's good to see you here. I always appreciated your comments, and admired the kind things you did for people in the congregation. Keep coming back. And may Jehovah bless you." Then I continued on my way.

  Question to governing body: which approach is more likely to get the "lost sheep" to return to the fold - and stay?

  (Hint: read The Greatest Man book.)

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  Did YOU Actually Believe That You Would Never Die?

  by minimus in

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  even though i was raised a witness, i was never convinced that the end would be in 1975 or even in my lifetime..

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  Yes I did. That's when I went and took flying lessons and became a pilot. My instructor said I was the "most adventurous student" he ever had.
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  Should Men Tuck In Their Shirts?

  by minimus in

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  i was reading an article about how men should not tuck in their shirts if the shirt is worn as casual wear.. i often wear suits with a black tee shirt, tucked in.

  i have some great cabana style shirts that are always worn over the belt.

  if i'm playing some sport, i would never tuck in a tee shirt.. i looked online after i read the article and it seems some are very firm on their position...... and while we're at it, should men wear a belt with jeans or with dress slacks?.

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  Why bother to even wear a shirt?