why can the palestinian situation not be resolved, and not be used as a recruiting tool for a new world wide terror campaign?
Indeed? Who is resisting a solution?
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King of Jordan on Charly Rose: WW3 in progress, Islam extremism is a generational conflict. --
by prologos inan eloquent major figure questioned, well worth listening to: on the multi continental conflict among muslims and their push against the secular world.. can be heard on you-tube.. .
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King of Jordan on Charly Rose: WW3 in progress, Islam extremism is a generational conflict. --
by prologos inan eloquent major figure questioned, well worth listening to: on the multi continental conflict among muslims and their push against the secular world.. can be heard on you-tube.. .
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And from the same paper, this comment on the Soviet Occupation:
During the last months of the war, the ancient German city of Königsberg in East Prussia held out as a strongly defended urban fortress. After repeated attack and siege by the Red Army, it finally surrendered in early April 1945. Soviet troops then ravished the civilian population. The people were beaten, robbed, killed and, if female, raped. The rape victims included nuns. Even hospital patients were robbed of their possessions. Bunkers and shelters, packed with terrified people huddling inside, were torched with flame-throwers. About 40,000 of the city’s population were killed, or took their own lives to escape the horrors, and the remaining 73,000 Germans were brutally deported. / 5
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King of Jordan on Charly Rose: WW3 in progress, Islam extremism is a generational conflict. --
by prologos inan eloquent major figure questioned, well worth listening to: on the multi continental conflict among muslims and their push against the secular world.. can be heard on you-tube.. .
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Prologos: The generation that rembers the Brest - Litovsk line is dead, the generation that remember the 1945 lines is almost gone too, nostalgia, longing for the old places* deadened. If someone would put up the maps of the incredibly shrinking germany, you could see the pain that all these expulsion caused, but at least, looking from afar there seem to be no mood, sentiment for righting the wrongs of that latest round in ethnic cleansing.
Good points, but only some forget, other's DO NOT FORGET. For example, Australians have forgotten Japanese atrocities against Aussie soldiers in WW2, but Koreans and Chinese have not forgotten Japanese atrocities such as the massacre of Chinese civilians following the Japanese capture of Nanjing.
Western governments want to keep reminding the world of Tiananmen square, but never mention the far worse massacre of Taiwanese, by their mate, Chiang Kai Shek, a massacre in which more than 20,000 (mostly males) were rounded up and butchered over a few nights in what is known now as the 228 incident. ( Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/228_Incident )
And then, some terrrible atrocities - such as the vengeful attacks on German civilians, after 1945, by Americans, Englishmen and French, seem to never get a mention. I wonder ....!!!!
An 'Unknown Holocaust' and the Hijacking of History
An address by Mark Weber, director of the Institute for Historical Review, delivered at an IHR meeting in Orange County, California, on July 25, 2009. (A report on the meeting is posted here.)
We hear a lot about terrible crimes committed by Germans during World War II, but we hear very little about crimes committed against Germans. Germany’s defeat in May 1945, and the end of World War II in Europe, did not bring an end to death and suffering for the vanquished German people. Instead the victorious Allies ushered in a horrible new era of destruction, looting, starvation, rape, “ethnic cleansing,” and mass killing --one that Time magazine called “history’s most terrifying peace.” / 1
Even though this “unknown holocaust” is ignored in our motion pictures and classrooms, and by our political leaders, the facts are well established. Historians are in basic agreement about the scale of the human catastrophe, which has been laid out in a number of detailed books. For example, American historian and jurist Alfred de Zayas, along with other scholars, has established that in the years 1945 to 1950, more than 14 million Germans were expelled or forced to flee from large regions of eastern and central Europe, of whom more than two million were killed or otherwise lost their lives. / 2
One recent and particularly useful overview is a 615-page book, published in 2007, entitled After the Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation. / 3 In it, British historian Giles MacDonogh details how the ruined and prostrate German Reich (including Austria) was systematically raped and robbed, and how many Germans who survived the war were either killed in cold blood or deliberately left to die of disease, cold, malnutrition or starvation. He explains how some three million Germans died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities -- about two million civilians, mostly women, children and elderly, and about one million prisoners of war.
Some people take the view that, given the wartime misdeeds of the Nazis, some degree of vengeful violence against the defeated Germans was inevitable and perhaps justified. A common response to reports of Allied atrocities is to say that the Germans “deserved what they got.” But however valid that argument might be, the appalling cruelties inflicted on the totally prostrate German people went far beyond any understandable retribution.
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Got your Chrissie decorations up yet? Where's all this stuff come from?
by fulltimestudent inthe answer is, from a small city (by chinese standards) of about one million people, named yiwu (pronounce it as eeewooo) in zhejinag province, roughly 2 hours south of shanghai (if you travel on the very fast train, at up to 300 km/hour).. in this city, some 750 factories churn out the baubles that make jesus happy.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orpcyl8jvy0.
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The city of Yiwu is supposed to have approximately 60% of the world chrissie decoration market. The factories are not sophisticated, neither are the workers,
Meet a family that left their home village to make some money in a big city, to cover their son's marriage expenses.
This is the son, his name is Wei, and he's aged 19. He knows little about what he makes, just does what he's told. When discussing the holiday. Wei says he knows that Christmas is a festival, but doesn't really know what it's about, “Maybe it’s the [Chinese] New Year for foreigners.”
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Got your Chrissie decorations up yet? Where's all this stuff come from?
by fulltimestudent inthe answer is, from a small city (by chinese standards) of about one million people, named yiwu (pronounce it as eeewooo) in zhejinag province, roughly 2 hours south of shanghai (if you travel on the very fast train, at up to 300 km/hour).. in this city, some 750 factories churn out the baubles that make jesus happy.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orpcyl8jvy0.
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And National Geographic takes you to Suzhou (one of my favourite cities) to see how your (artificial) chrissie tree is made:
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Got your Chrissie decorations up yet? Where's all this stuff come from?
by fulltimestudent inthe answer is, from a small city (by chinese standards) of about one million people, named yiwu (pronounce it as eeewooo) in zhejinag province, roughly 2 hours south of shanghai (if you travel on the very fast train, at up to 300 km/hour).. in this city, some 750 factories churn out the baubles that make jesus happy.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orpcyl8jvy0.
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The answer is, from a small city (by Chinese standards) of about one million people, named Yiwu (pronounce it as eeewooo) in Zhejinag Province, roughly 2 hours south of Shanghai (if you travel on the Very Fast train, at up to 300 km/hour).
In this city, some 750 factories churn out the baubles that make Jesus happy.
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So romantic - Guys, if you really liked a girl, for how long would you chase her?
by fulltimestudent ina segment from (in english) if you are the one?
one of china's most popular tv shows, it can have up to 50 million viewers.. its chrissie time, so we can be sentimental (smile).. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teic1sk8epy.
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Sorry! The sub-titles have disappeared, and I don't know how to get them back.
Wait, switch through to Youtube and the subs are there!!
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So romantic - Guys, if you really liked a girl, for how long would you chase her?
by fulltimestudent ina segment from (in english) if you are the one?
one of china's most popular tv shows, it can have up to 50 million viewers.. its chrissie time, so we can be sentimental (smile).. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teic1sk8epy.
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A segment from (in English) If You Are the One? One of China's most popular TV shows, it can have up to 50 million viewers.
Its Chrissie time, so we can be sentimental (smile).
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by fulltimestudent inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbsjllxorlw&list=plcd2898dbc1440b4c&index=7.
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King of Jordan on Charly Rose: WW3 in progress, Islam extremism is a generational conflict. --
by prologos inan eloquent major figure questioned, well worth listening to: on the multi continental conflict among muslims and their push against the secular world.. can be heard on you-tube.. .
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which gives the return of the survivors a slight legitimaticy for their re- occupation of part of the last land that they inhabited as a nation,
Except that in this case, the Jews had last occupied that territory some 1900 years ago***.
We can think of the complications that can be caused by a consideration of Australia. The white settlers in Australia argued that the "savages" that lived here had no legal right to the land and they were subsequently dispossessed. Not many years ago, the Australian High Court recognised that the original Australians DID HAVE A LEGAL OWNERSHIP TO THE LAND, after all, but they could not confront current ownership.
In Palestine, descendents of the owners of the first century, claim they have a legal right to ownership and can dispossess contemporary owners.
Do you wonder that this is a major problem?
Do you wonder that after 100 years of confrontation between Europeans and Muslims, each succeeding generation becomes more hostile to the west? Do you wonder why young hot-heads, aware of the injustices burdening their spiritual brothers, become more radical?
This is not a new problem, the problems go back more than 1000 years. The problems will still make life dangerous for the grand-children of today's new-born, because the Europeans do not get it.
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***one small caveat - we do not know what the lowest level of people did at the time. Did they die somewhere else as refugees? Make new homes on some unused land somewhere? Or, did they give up their religion, left the phallus of the son(s) intact and re-enter the land, presenting as non-jewish? In that last case we would expect some genetic similarities between newly arrived Jews and the dispossessed peoples, now tagged as Palestineans. At least some genetic studies do show similarities. If that situation can be confirmed, then the Jewish/Palestinian problem can be see as brother attemtpting to dispossess brother:
Comparison with the genetic heritage of non-Jewish populations.
Palestinians
Further information: Palestinian people#DNA and genetic studiesMany genetic studies have demonstrated that most of the various Jewish ethnic divisions and the Palestinians and other Levantines, like theDruze [12] [13] [18] [38] and Bedouin, [12] [13] are genetically closer to each other than the Palestinians or European Jews are to non-Jewish Europeans or Africans. [12] [13] [96] One DNA study by Nebel and colleagues found genetic evidence in support of historical records that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD". [96] They also found substantial genetic overlap between Muslim Palestinians and Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, though with some significant differences that might be explainable by the geographical isolation of the Jews and by immigration of Arab tribes in the first millennium. [96]
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews
Note: I've left wikipedia end-notes numbers intact, for the convenience of those who want to check sources.
