fulltimestudent

Joined

• started 752 topics
• posted 3,901 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by fulltimestudent

• 
  15

  Jehovah's Witnesses ... Proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the first edition of the watchtower magazine, july 1879, made the following comment on page 5 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

  exactly 136 years later the latest edition of the watchtower magazine, july 2015, (paragraph 3) made the following comment on page 15 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

  jehovah's witnesses ... proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  fulltimestudent

  But isn't that the same deception that was used in early Christianity?

  Luke 21:37 NIV:

  32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

  34 “Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap.35 For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
• 
  5

  The Treasures of Nimrud

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. social
  2. current

  in happier days, the discovery of these treasures could delight the eye.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxcfxv7jo04.

  .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  fulltimestudent

  But now - contemporary religion has destroyed the place where they were found.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBZ29hI8IcQ
  
• 
  5

  The Treasures of Nimrud

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. social
  2. current

  in happier days, the discovery of these treasures could delight the eye.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxcfxv7jo04.

  .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  fulltimestudent

  In happier days, the discovery of these treasures could delight the eye.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxcFxv7JO04
• 
  54

  Polytheism in the Book of Daniel, a late second temple religious document

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as jehovah's witnesses we committed ourselves to a blind belief in a monotheistic judaism that was automatically transmitted to a new religious organisation, started (we were taught) by jesus.. that's the premise which this thread will discuss.

  i suggest that sufficient evidence is available to throw doubt on both those beliefs.

  so this thread will argue (over about a week-hopefully) that:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  fulltimestudent

  There's not much more to be said, jhine.

  It is difficult to know the personal conceptual view of 'God' held by any ancient writer. We may have a glimpse of how the Daniel writer saw God by closely examining the detail in the vision he imagined. Considering the likely late date of the book of Daniel - we would have to examine the books of Maccabees and the Dead Sea Scrolls, to observe other posibilities for changing concepts of God

  TTTE may have approached this discussion as JWs often do, when talking to other (non-JW) believers and the argument gets difficult for them, they resort to arguing about words (it could be called, obscuration, which can have the meaning, 'to cloud over' grin!).

  The discussion has been helpful in another sense, also, we can see the lack of logic in the concepts of God held by the witnesses. Stating that they are monotheists, and condemning 'polytheism,' they nonetheless believe that Jesus is 'a god.' Which leaves them in the precise position of most other polytheists by conceiving of 'Supreme Gods' and 'lesser gods,' just as (to use my previous illustration) Zeus is senior, in Hellenic thought, and Dionysus is lesser.

  -----------------------------

  For anyone seeking more information on the Canaanite God, El, there is in the JWD files an informative conversation between Mebaqqer2 and Leolaia, in a thread entitled, "Israelites so easily influenced by foreign Gods. Why?

  The link is: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/220295/israelities-easily-influenced-foreign-gods-why?page=1&size=20
• 
  2

  Billed (in the west) as the world's strangest marathon - A North Korean event with over 600 foreigners

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. social
  2. current

  most may not want to enter, but over 600 non-nk did and it was won by an american:.

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3035662/soldiers-watching-high-fiving-fans-ban-cameras-north-korean-marathon-inside-world-s-strangest-road-race.html.

  1. 
  2. 
• 

  fulltimestudent

  Camera were banned, but some seemed to have escaped that ban.

  This seems to be a Russian video, posted on Youtube:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=henAHaHTSi4
  
• 
  2

  Billed (in the west) as the world's strangest marathon - A North Korean event with over 600 foreigners

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. social
  2. current

  most may not want to enter, but over 600 non-nk did and it was won by an american:.

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3035662/soldiers-watching-high-fiving-fans-ban-cameras-north-korean-marathon-inside-world-s-strangest-road-race.html.

  1. 
  2. 
• 

  fulltimestudent

  The winner,Charles Kobold, from Wyoming:

  

  Some local entrants

  
  
• 
  2

  Billed (in the west) as the world's strangest marathon - A North Korean event with over 600 foreigners

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. social
  2. current

  most may not want to enter, but over 600 non-nk did and it was won by an american:.

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3035662/soldiers-watching-high-fiving-fans-ban-cameras-north-korean-marathon-inside-world-s-strangest-road-race.html.

  1. 
  2. 
• 

  fulltimestudent

  Most may not want to enter, but over 600 non-NK did and it was won by an American:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3035662/Soldiers-watching-high-fiving-fans-ban-cameras-North-Korean-marathon-Inside-world-s-strangest-road-race.html
  
• 
  54

  Polytheism in the Book of Daniel, a late second temple religious document

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as jehovah's witnesses we committed ourselves to a blind belief in a monotheistic judaism that was automatically transmitted to a new religious organisation, started (we were taught) by jesus.. that's the premise which this thread will discuss.

  i suggest that sufficient evidence is available to throw doubt on both those beliefs.

  so this thread will argue (over about a week-hopefully) that:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  fulltimestudent

  TTTE: Now Boyarin makes a fundamental mistake as almost all of us do when he said...

  "What this text projects is a second divine figure, to whom will be given eternal dominion of the entire world. .

  There is no second “divine figure” in view here as there is no first “divine figure” in view. He has wrongly used the word divine from our language to try to describe something from ancient Hebrew.

  All that plethora of words, to argue that Boyarin was wrong to use the word "divine," when you think he should have said, (quote: he has the characteristics of a mighty and powerful one).

  No matter what word is used, viewed from this perspective, Daniel 7 is speaking of two individual "mighty ones," one senior, one seemingly less so.

  This is not monotheism, there is more than one personage described as 'god-like.'

  
  
• 
  54

  Polytheism in the Book of Daniel, a late second temple religious document

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as jehovah's witnesses we committed ourselves to a blind belief in a monotheistic judaism that was automatically transmitted to a new religious organisation, started (we were taught) by jesus.. that's the premise which this thread will discuss.

  i suggest that sufficient evidence is available to throw doubt on both those beliefs.

  so this thread will argue (over about a week-hopefully) that:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  fulltimestudent

  TTTE
  We need to look at the original word meanings and usage in the Bible.
  In the KJV Isaiah 9:6 reads “his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, . The Hebrew of Isaiah 9:6 actually reads differently to our English.
  shall-be-called name-of-him wonderful councellor god strong
  What the original Hebrew is saying is that his name will include the titles “mighty strong one” or “mighty valiant one” or “mighty chief” or “mighty hero” (where mighty is from the word “el” and the other words are possibilities of “gbur”[gibbor]).

  But what happens when you read this in the Septuagint, which was absolutely trusted by the early Christians?

  For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.
  7His government shall be great, and of his peace there is no end: it shall be upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to support it with judgment and with righteousness, from henceforth and forever. The seal of the Lord of hosts shall perform this. (Trans: Brenton)
• 
  54

  Polytheism in the Book of Daniel, a late second temple religious document

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as jehovah's witnesses we committed ourselves to a blind belief in a monotheistic judaism that was automatically transmitted to a new religious organisation, started (we were taught) by jesus.. that's the premise which this thread will discuss.

  i suggest that sufficient evidence is available to throw doubt on both those beliefs.

  so this thread will argue (over about a week-hopefully) that:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  fulltimestudent

  TTTE:
  The word “el” BECAME known as the word for god. That is what we accept it as today. HOWEVER..... Originally …. and that is where I keep going to … the original word meanings.... it just meant a mighty one or a strong one andactually had a wide variety of uses. Please read my earlier post to fulltime-student. I have several texts that show from the KJV that “el” and “elohim” actually refer to a mighty one. In an other post I have several links to places the define theses words
  In the right context we today understand the word god to refer to someone or something that is of a higher power to us and we “worship” (serve) them.

  
  

  TTTE, please! Most names have meanings. A friend is called 'Edmund' which means (according to baby name tables):

  • Mystical
  • Wise
  • Eccentric
  • Intuitive
  • Imaginative
  • Philosophical
  • Solitary

  
  

  To take one of those meanings and apply it to the child is not a usual action. While meanings may shed light on the origins of the various gods that people choose to worship, to make the sort of rule your making does not make sense.