Posts by fulltimestudent

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1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett in

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heyo,.

your favorite garrett here.

so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

fulltimestudent

I have posted this previously, but it's worth repeating. It's my memories of living through a failed prophecy:

In Sydney (Australia) at least, by the time we got to mid 1975, many brothers who believed the WTS talk about 1975, were looking at the supposed list of things to happen during the time of the end, and wondering how they could all happen in the next six months. I was not particularly perturbed, at the time, because I knew that calculating time periods was fraught with difficulties.

But apparently in Brooklyn, some were wondering the same because about August 1975, Nathan Knorr and Freddy Franz turn up at the Australian Branch, and a talk was arranged at the (then) Greenacre Assembly Hall.

Nathan gets up and talks first, I cant recall much of most of his talk, but its very clear in my mind, that he got to a certain point, and said the same thing that I've highlighted above.Nathan put it something like this:

"As it is now August, it does not seem that (and he turned to face Freddy Franz) all the things that Bro. Franz, says must happen before Armageddon, can happen in the next few months."

I interpreted his body language as saying that he was more than bit pissed off by all this.

It's a rather open understanding that the Knorr/Franz duopoly allowed each man to follow his basic interests. Fred looked after Bible research and study. Nathan looked after the engineering (printing/building) and organisation.

I felt a bit sorry ( a feeling that soon faded) for Nathan that night. It was clear that he had relied on Freddy's bible knowledge and viewpoint, and now the rug had been pulled out from under his feet. He'd had an operation for cancer and died a couple of years later, maybe wondering where it had all gone wrong.

The following year, they sent a Canadian brother* out to tell us that Armageddon was way off into the future, maybe as long as (quote), eighteen years (unquote) away.

That's when I started thinking .....

*A former Aussie Branch overseer named Doug. Held.

Doug had been one of gay Percy Chapman's handsome glamour boys in the Canadian Branch, and had survived the purge when Nathan demoted Percy Chapman from Branch Overseer to cleaner.

First Clear Evidence of Pre-Columbian trading between Alaskans and East Asians,1000 years ago

by fulltimestudent in

exciting find, something definite to indicate east-asian and alaskan trade approximately 1000 years ago.

three east-asian areas are mentioned.

china, korea and yakutia, in present day siberia.

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Exciting find, something definite to indicate East-Asian and Alaskan Trade approximately 1000 years ago. Three East-Asian areas are mentioned. China, Korea and Yakutia, in present day Siberia. Some of the evidence includes obsidian artifacts with a chemical signature that that indicates an origin in Anadyr River Valley in Siberia.
Another item of evidence is the design similarity of armour fabricated from overlapping plates.

http://www.livescience.com/50506-artifacts-reveal-pre-columbus-trade.html

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The Treasures of Nimrud

by fulltimestudent in

in happier days, the discovery of these treasures could delight the eye.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxcfxv7jo04.

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Morpheusa day agoWhat about the raising of over 6,000 monistaries in tibet by china...?

Yes, you're quite right. The Red Guards were vandals too, and how interesting that many were young Tibetans (mainly from the lower socio-economic groups). I'm not so sure about the figure of 6000 monasteries. No-one knows for sure how many Tibetans there were in 1960, I suggest maybe 2,000,000. On the count of 6000 monasteries "razed," that would mean one large or small monastery for every 330 people. Most were re-built after Mao died. I counted 87, on this Wikipedia list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tibetan_monasteries

But I believe there were/are many more than that.

BTW, we have descriptions of certain aspects of Tibetan life, that were provided by the British invasion force of 1904. Peter Fleming, in his book "Bayonets to Lhasa," includes some of these descriptions P.232,233 -edition published by Rupert Hart-Davis, 1961).

"The Potala, Fleming writes (citing Candler), was surrounded by a nauseous squalor ... it was in fact, an insanitary slum. ... The houses were mean and filthy ..." Younghusband (the British Supervisor of the invasion), described the monks, as "lazy and sensual and effete."

How much those sort of conditions, likely unchanged in 60 years, led to the actions of young Tibetan Red Guards, is hard to judge.

And, of course, throughout China, the Red Guards vandalised many antiquities, in their campaign to destroy the four "olds" (customs, culture, habits, ideas).

This graphic, captures (I think) the attitude of the Red Guards across China:

Or the huge loss of historical and cutural history by the peoples liberation army of china...?

That's a harder general question for me to answer, as I don't know what you're referring to. US General Joe Stillwell judged the PLA troops as better disciplined and organised than those of the KMT (Chiang's).

I'm sure that in a civil war things can and do, getout of hand. But if you could be more specific, I can discuss your claim.

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How a Gay Jewish Boy from New England Came to Be and Leave the JWs (and what he did next)

by CalebInFloroda in

born in cambridge, ma to a liberal couple that escaped the conservative south, my parents raised me better than to become a jehovahs witness.

funny thing was they got mixed up in it first.. while that is a story for another time, i myself had to go along as the third of five children in my family.

dads job transferred him to texas and my mom worked fulltime herself, but eventually we found ourselves drinking the kool-aid of ambiguity intolerance and full-fledge belief that the bible was literal fact and that salvation was found only by those who were smart enough to enter the confines of the watchtower.. its weird how many people claim they fear children raised by two gay parents will grow up to be gay.

fulltimestudent

Fine story, thnx for sharing.

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The Treasures of Nimrud

by fulltimestudent in

in happier days, the discovery of these treasures could delight the eye.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxcfxv7jo04.

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The Biblical Archeology Society has assembled an overview of their previous reports on Nimrud. The link is:

http://members.bib-arch.org/collections-nimrud.asp?mqsc=E3794477&utm_source=WhatCountsEmail&utm_medium=BHD+WIR%20and%20Library%20Newsletter

&utm_campaign=E5L416

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The Treasures of Nimrud

by fulltimestudent in

in happier days, the discovery of these treasures could delight the eye.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxcfxv7jo04.

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The above destruction in the view of the Biblical Archeology Review:

Assyriologist Echart Frahn, said in Yale News that, 'any major destruction at Nimrud or other ancient Assyrian cities in Iraq “would be one of the worst cultural heritage disasters of all times.”'

The building destroyed was, the "ninth-century North-West Palace of King Ashurnasirpal II at the ancient Assyrian site of Nimrud." It survived for near 3000 years only to vanish in the cultural wars of the twentyfirst century.

The overview continued:

The ancient Assyrian city of Nimrud (known in antiquity as Kalhu) lies in the Nineveh plains on the northeast bank of the Tigris River, 20 miles from Mosul in northern Iraq. When King Ashurnasirpal II ascended to the throne (r. 883–859 B.C.E.), he relocated the royal court from Assur to Nimrud, establishing it as the capital of the Neo-Assyrian Empire and rebuilding it completely, with lavish temples and a palace funded by his successful conquests. Many of the reliefs and statues excavated from Ashurnasirpal II’s Nimrud palace are now on display in the British Museum and elsewhere in the world.

I suggest that this loss, to our knowledge of the past, can only be compared to the crazed destruction of Graeco-Roman temples by the crazed Christians of the fourth century CE.

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A savage look at Aussie Politics

by fulltimestudent in

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if you're not up on aussie politics, then this may serve as a backgrounder:.

the hitler role is supposed to be the current prime minister, tony abbott.

abbott spent three years doing nothing but denigrate the previous labour government.

fulltimestudent

and, a similar satire on Australia's housing bubble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgfJKWv5gmo

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A savage look at Aussie Politics

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

if you're not up on aussie politics, then this may serve as a backgrounder:.

the hitler role is supposed to be the current prime minister, tony abbott.

abbott spent three years doing nothing but denigrate the previous labour government.

fulltimestudent

If you're not up on Aussie politics, then this may serve as a backgrounder:

The Hitler role is supposed to be the current Prime Minister, Tony Abbott. Abbott spent three years doing nothing but denigrate the previous Labour government. He spliced into a populist nerve, that is that the electorate is rather pissed off with pollies, and he won the next election hands-down.

But from he who is given much, much will be expected. And, now is popularity has fallen badly.

Australia may be heading for lean times.

2007-8, Aussie iron ore companies unilaterally doubled the price of iron ore to China, setting off an Aussie boom, and telling the Chinese (rather superciliously), " You want to be a market economy, well this is a lesson in how it works!" Haha! In a few thousand years of market experience, when it may have been the world's largest economy, the Chinese have learnt a thing or two about markets. When their protests did not work - they paid for what they wanted, but quietly set about finding alternative suppliers. Having alternatives in place they started to downsize their Aussie purchases and the price has collapsed back to the level of 2007-8. Big trouble now, everything may be going down the dunnyhole. Hope not - I live here, but this humourous video pokes some fun at Abbott, and the way he's run his government.

Maybe is all karma- smile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liIYorl3vEk

or

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/04/tony-abbotts-downfall/

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Jehovah's Witnesses ... Proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879

by jwleaks in

the first edition of the watchtower magazine, july 1879, made the following comment on page 5 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

exactly 136 years later the latest edition of the watchtower magazine, july 2015, (paragraph 3) made the following comment on page 15 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

jehovah's witnesses ... proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879.. .

fulltimestudent

But isn't that the same deception that was used in early Christianity?

Luke 21:37 NIV:

32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

34 “Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap.35 For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”

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The Treasures of Nimrud

by fulltimestudent in

in happier days, the discovery of these treasures could delight the eye.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxcfxv7jo04.

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But now - contemporary religion has destroyed the place where they were found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBZ29hI8IcQ