Something like atheism is the logical end of the process of questioning that starts when someone intelligent leaves the witnesses.
fulltimestudent
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Is this a site controlled by atheists?
by The Rebel inunder the exterior of being an ex- witness site, is this site simply converting atheism?.
i pose the question, because many come here in distress and insecurity with the realization that the w.t is wrong but still retain a belief in god.
my personal opinion is the threads on god are not challenged by an atheists personal animosity to believers, they are challenged and become confrontational because the atheist wants an elaboration and factual proof to a believers faith.. is this unreasonable?
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Watchtower is cashing in on China
by nakanozzi injapanese brother in china recently revealed thatmany wealthy chinese are interested in watchtower’s teaching and donating money.ex-cos and ex-district os are now preaching undercover in china,and, numberes of special pioneers in china are growing !
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fulltimestudent
Interesting thread.
I've been visiting China nearly every year since 2001. In addition I read the English editions of Chinese newspapers nearly every day, and I try to do in-depth studies of academic material that examine various issues.
These are my thoughts on various comments I've read lately, both on this thread and a couple of other recent topics.
many wealthy Chinese are interested in Watchtower’s teaching and donating money.
Well, maybe! Many wealthy Chinese also are interested in Tibetan Buddhism and donate money, (There are many Tibetan Buddhist temples in China proper - for example there are perhaps 50 - some large, some small - on Mt Wutai, not far from Beijing, and also 7 or so in Chengde, a former Royal holiday area for Emperors). That doesn't mean that Tibetan Buddhism is going to sweep China and Tibetan Buddhism is going to have tens of millions of converts.
The Catholic church has had missions in China for more than 400 years, and is the largest Christian church in China. If any church has money, the Catholic church has money. There are many Catholic churches open every day, and plenty of Sunday services. There's a big cathedral open about ten minutes walk from the Forbidden city and the Chinese National Parliament. Some Catholic families go back for generations. It doesn't mean that half of China will convert,
A sober estimate of all Christians in China is 20-30 million. Of course, some will claim more than that. But, then missionaries (of all sects) always seem to exaggerate the numbers that convert.
"...I smuggled literature from Hk to Beijing. Met the underground foreign group...It was growing back then so can imagine it is growing now. Flag Dislike Like"
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"I smuggle much literature, when I travel to china years before."What happens to all the literature produced in ALL the world? Most of it finishes up in the rubbish. I do not see China being an exception.(and dangerous! think of what has been happening in Tibet since the Chinese takeover)
Tibet has been part of China, off and on, for centuries. It has certainly been part of China since the mid 17th Century. The leader who set the Manchu's (the Qing dynasty on the road to power entitled the Dalai Leader to be the Temporal ruler of Tibet, as long as he submitted to the Manchu's. When the Manchu's (the Qing dynasty) abdicated, Tibet stayed part of China. -
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15 Year Old Mormon Girl Tortured For Being Gay
by cofty inalex cooper, a former mormon, offers a terrifying account of being held hostage for eight months in an unlicensed “residential treatment program” modeled on the many “therapeutic” boot camps scattered across utah.. at the mormon run “treatment center” alex was physically and verbally abused.
many days she was forced to stand facing a wall wearing a heavy backpack full of rocks.
she developed sores on her shoulders and cramps in her back.
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fulltimestudent
If Jesus can murder you for not accepting him as 'Lord', and then 'feed you to the vultures' (Revelation19: 11-21) what's wrong with a bit of torture to 'knock some sense into your head'?
At its heart, Christianity is a violent religion.
The above incident is not uncommon.
October 16, 2015 - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34553332
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Interesting article about the evidence of the Jewish Exodus
by cappytan inthe reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the jews were ever enslaved in egypt.
yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source.
i'm talking about real proof; archeological evidence, state records and primary sources.
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fulltimestudent
The bible attempts to make the Israelites/Jews look important. They were a bit like the North Koreans of contemporary times, who are always trying to make themselves look powerful.
Why were the Jews doing that? Its because they claimed that their YHWH was the only true god and all the other gods of the nations were nothing. Think of the message in the Elijah and the Baal priests story.
The message behind the exodus story, is that YHWH is so powerful, that the then mightiest nation in that world era, was no match for YHWH's strength and power.
For most past events in 'real' history, there is some corroborating evidence that something happened. There is nothing in 'real' history to corroborate this bit of puffery.
It's all 'piss and wind.' As is the WTS's attempts to prove its true. The WTS's argument is to say that the bible has 'true' history, but the Egyptian record is not true.
Read it for yourself (See the Aid book, pp 540-548).
And, keep thinking about why the OT does not mention that Egypt also ruled Palestine for long periods, with Egyptian armies often supporting their local satrap?
See:
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After leaving what did you Major in?
by Luther bertrand ini am curious if my observations are correct.
i noticed alot of exjws end up majoring in the social sciences.
i am also interested in what educational choices people have made either while fading or while completely out.
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I'll graduate this year with a B.Arts. with a major in Ancient History, and maybe a minor in Japanese studies. My capstone essay earned a distinction, but I lost marks for being a day late in my submission. Bugger!
That's the formal description for my studies, but I usually describe my studies as a 'blackmarket' degree, in that I've followed no formal program, but made as many intellectual journeys as I could across Asia, exploring side roads as I went. In that journey, I accumulated more credit points than I need to graduate, simply because there was always some new discovery to be investigated. I was fortunate in being to use the resources of two universities in my explorations.
I faced a difficult decision at the beginning of this journey, I could see that the big story of the nineteenth century was the disintegration of east Asian order, and in the twentieth C. the re-organisation of China, and in the twentyfirst C. the ascendancy of Asia, but I was also very curious about the origins of Christianity and the role of 'shared' knowledge in the development of both Judaism and Christianity. I settled for Asia, but found to my surprise that my intellectual journey would also enlighten me as to the pagan origins of both Judaism and Christianity.
My only regret, is that I wasted 40 years of my life thinking that the YHWH/Jesus combo God was going to save the world. How could I have succumbedr to believing something so weird? (grin)
Right now, I'm taking two topics essentially outside my field of study, but the university thinks I (OK, all students) need something they call a 'people' unit and a 'planet' unit. Searching through the lists of topics, I found a study unit under each label that helps me. So this semester, "Critical thinking" and next semester, "Why do people believe weird things" - so here's hoping I do not become too introspective.
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I wonder what D.Trump thinks of this order, placed with a Chinese company by Chicago transport
by fulltimestudent inits interesting to watch these shenagins, isn't it?
the order was for: .
846 7000-series rail cars from csr sifang america jv, which submitted the lowest bid, chicago transport authority said in a statement on its website thursday.
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DesirousOfChange : But they will structure the cost of those things in such a manner that the US based manufacturing plant shows no profit and thus owes no corp taxes to the US or Illinois.
DocThat seems to be the way international business is done, as organised by the current world hegemon.
In Australia, (at least), American businesses (Google, MacDonalds, etc) dodge the payment of enormous amounts of taxes, it's becoming a bit of an issue in local politics, as royalties from the slumping export of iron ore to China, although I really cant see any of our two possible oligarchies doing much about it.
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I wonder what D.Trump thinks of this order, placed with a Chinese company by Chicago transport
by fulltimestudent inits interesting to watch these shenagins, isn't it?
the order was for: .
846 7000-series rail cars from csr sifang america jv, which submitted the lowest bid, chicago transport authority said in a statement on its website thursday.
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fulltimestudent
Its interesting to watch these shenagins, isn't it? The order was for:
846 7000-series rail cars from CSR Sifang America JV, which submitted the lowest bid, Chicago Transport Authority said in a statement on its website Thursday. Prototypes for an initial order for 400 train cars are due in 2019 and expected to go into a service a year later after tests. As part of its winning bid, CSR Sifang will also invest $40 million to build a rail assembly facility in Chicago. ...
... The deal is China’s second in the U.S., following the one China CNR Corp. won in October 2014 worth $567 million to supply trains for Boston’s subway system." -
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A useful MacDonald's advert in Taiwan teaching tolerance attacked by religious bigots
by fulltimestudent inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqlfpbfiuly
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GrreatTeacher : People who think they don't know any homosexuals shouldn't be so sure. I think it's more likely that everyone knows a homosexual, they just don't know that they are gay.
Being in the closet is still a thing.Smile! yes, absolutely! Especially so since research is indicating that homophobes who shout the loudest are likely fighting against their own feelings.
And homophobia makes an interesting closet.
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The changing world - The Chinese in the west.
by fulltimestudent ini was hosing the garden at the front of our apartments earlier this morning, and this large gang (20-30 people) of elderly chinese went past, picking up rubbish in the street.
it suddenly clicked that this was 'clean-up australia' day.
what interested me was the involvement of this group of elderly chinese, and i assume that this is likely happening across sydney in all the many suburbs that have become 'chinese' in the last 35 years.
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Bonsai : It would be a smart investment to study Chinese. I originally came to Asia to study Chinese, but fell in love with Japan. Now I'm starting to wonder whether or not I should have stuck with Chinese.
Well, maybe? Surely it all depends on your goals. IS all your effort solely for making money? (Reading your posts, I do not get that impression).
If you want to, or need to, and think you have the ability, the possibility of making money does exist. But, I think the competition could be horrendous. And that is at all levels. Particularly as the next few hundred million Chinese become urbanised. But in that situation opportunities are there to be seized by the astute.
As it is, Japanese culture, as a variant of East Asian culture, is also fascinating. Are you living a satisfying life? Then maybe the path chosen was the right path.
I could imagine living a 'rich' life, in a small Japanese village located in the foothills of the mountains or somewhere near the ocean.
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Why Faith is Self-Defeating
by cofty inthe god of christian theism values faith.. "without faith it is impossible to please god, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists" - heb.11.
faith and evidence are inversely proportional - the more evidence there is that god exists the less faith you need in that proposition and vice-versa.. so how can a christian criticise any other faith-based belief?
for example they can protest that all the evidence is against the claims of scientology, but that just means that scientologists require more faith than christians.
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fulltimestudent
But then there's Romans 10:17:
New American Standard Bible
"So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ."And when Paul wrote those words, the only 'word' of Christ was verbal.
Although, the KJV and a few other translations are slightly different.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Therefore faith is from the hearing ear, and the hearing ear is from the word of God.And at that point in time, that surely meant the OT.
But, I guess, the point is the same - faith follows something heard. It does not, in Judeao-Christian theology, exist prior to the "hearing' of the message.
So the old AId book became very adventurous and claimed, "Faith is based on concrete evidence."
Although,
"Kierkegaard (is claimed to have) said that faith without doubt is simply credulity, the will to believe too readily, especially without adequate evidence, and that “in Doubt can Faith begin.” All people involved in spiritual practice, of whatever persuasion, must confront doubt at one time or another, and find a way beyond it to belief, however temporary. But “faith is not equivalent to mere belief. Faith is the condition of ultimate confidence that we have the capacity to follow the path of doubt to its end. And courage.”
In the end, that harmonises with the wisdom advice of Zheng Yi, (about 1000 years ago) who taught that:"A student must first of all learn to doubt."