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Chinese Progress in their Move from a Government Financed Economy to a Private Economy

by fulltimestudent in

the chinese government is said to be about half way in the progress from a centralised command economy to a market driven, private enterprise economy.. .

link: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/china/private-capital-gets-more-bang-in-china-as-economic-reforms-step-up-20141023-11ah6z.html.

canberra times.

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DJS: FTS,

I referenced the Leslie Stahl 60 minutes piece on the uninhabited cites months ago in another Chinese miracle OP. This is real, vetted and reported by 60 minutes. You can view the video online if you wish. A transcript of Ms. Stahl's conversation with a Hong Kong based financial analyst is below

Thnx - for the reference point, now I can go to work and talk specifically rather than generally.

I will pick out five or six specific examples from that show, and we can examine them. Particularly focussing on the follwoing statements from 60 minutes.

Lesley Stahl: But they're not just building housing. They're building cities.

Gillem Tulloch: Yes. That's right.

Lesley Stahl: Giant cities being built with people not coming to live here.

Gillem Tulloch: Yes. I think they're building somewhere between 12 and 24 new cities every single year.

Unlike our market driven economy, in China it's the government that has spent some $2 trillion to get these cities built - as a way of keeping the economy growing. The assumption is "if you build it, they'll come." But no one's coming.

Lesley Stahl: Wow. This is really completely, totally empty and it goes up -

Gillem took us to this shopping mall that's been standing vacant for three years.

Lesley Stahl: Can I find this all over China?

Gillem Tulloch: Yes, you can. They've simply built too much infrastructure too quickly.

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Chinese Progress in their Move from a Government Financed Economy to a Private Economy

by fulltimestudent in

the chinese government is said to be about half way in the progress from a centralised command economy to a market driven, private enterprise economy.. .

link: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/china/private-capital-gets-more-bang-in-china-as-economic-reforms-step-up-20141023-11ah6z.html.

canberra times.

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If you'd like to check out Chinese TV, http://english.cntv.cn/ will give you some material in English.

You'll note some other differences. Chinese media is (IMO-grin, and at least in English editions) offering more of a world view. (In contrast, in the Anglosphere, the media tends to be insular-again IMO).

Another difference, its a bit more serious than anglosphere media, which tends to try too hard to be 'cool' and often becomes just frivolous. I guess, because they have to be, since it must have popular appeal, and if no-one buys their media, they are out of business. SO are they really free?

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William Penwell: public protest are banned.

Professor Kerry Brown ( at Sydney University - http://sydney.edu.au/china_studies_centre/en/staff/kerry-brown.shtml ) said recently that (in a special talk) that there ae 200,000 to 500,000 public protests a year in China.

Some are handled peacefully, some less so. But your own TV (in your own country) will often show violent confrontations between demonstrators and authority.

Have I challenged your view of China?

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Chinese Progress in their Move from a Government Financed Economy to a Private Economy

by fulltimestudent in

the chinese government is said to be about half way in the progress from a centralised command economy to a market driven, private enterprise economy.. .

link: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/china/private-capital-gets-more-bang-in-china-as-economic-reforms-step-up-20141023-11ah6z.html.

canberra times.

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FTS: William, may I ask, what you see (or, think you see) in China, that leads you to call China a 'repressive' regime?

William Penwell: We can only go by what is reported to us in the news media. Just two examples in recent memory, according to what I have read from different news sources, the news media in China is controled by the Central Chinese government that no negative pictures are allowed to be published and public protest are banned. I call this repressive. We don't have to go to far for Russia, in the last winder Olympics and their ban on gay rights. Again you may not agree with this life style but I would say that was repressive

Thnx for responding William. and OK. now we can discuss your comment:

First,

We can only go by what is reported to us in the news media.

Yes, but as you go on to discuss, 'media' can be biased, because, as you suggest, the Chinese media is because it its 'government-controlled.' And, I agree, (and most days of the week, I read the web-based editions of the three web-based Chinese newspapers. Here they are:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/

http://www.globaltimes.cn/index.html

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/ and for a USA edition: http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/

Edited to add: Clumsy fingers hit the wrong button, so I'll continue on a second post.

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Chinese Progress in their Move from a Government Financed Economy to a Private Economy

by fulltimestudent in

the chinese government is said to be about half way in the progress from a centralised command economy to a market driven, private enterprise economy.. .

link: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/china/private-capital-gets-more-bang-in-china-as-economic-reforms-step-up-20141023-11ah6z.html.

canberra times.

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A hit-and-run exercise.

DJS, I want to quickly take issue with this point in a previous post:

The housing boom is showing signs of having finally run its course. The boom was fueled by the 600,000 or so Chinese who had expendable income but with nothing to do with it (the Chinese stock market sucks the big one). Buying housing, and speculating that there would be buyers for it at a large profit, resulted in entire cities being built, many of which are not inhabited. Not houses or subdivisions. Entire freaking Cities. Got that? ENTIRE UNINHABITED CITIES. Got that????

Really? ENTIRE UNINHABITED CITIES. A little hyperbole is justifiable, but huge hyperbole brings one's ideas into question.

I suggest to you that if you dig a little deeper you will likely agree that this is a furphy.

Think for a moment, the Chinese government figures say that now approximately 50% of the population live in cities. I dont' know the precise figures, but when Mao died and the CPC changed course, the figure may have been 20% urbanised.

Working backwards off current population figures (about fourteen hundred billion -1,400,000,00) and claimed as steady at the moment that means roughly 700 million Chinese live in cities, (say) 250 million when Deng took the lead (I say lead, because, in spite of popular western opinion, Chinese leaders do not have unfettered power).

So if 350 million people have moved to cities in 30 years, that requires housing the entire population of the USA in the said 30 years - allowing 3 people to each housing unit, an average of nearly 4,000,000 new homes per year.

Some 12 years ago I worked on a project with an architectural/town planning office that had a contract to design a new city in China for a population of one million. He understood a number of these were being planned each year. Cant vouch for that, but that was his statement.

If you're attempting to plan new cities on that scale, it would be normal to have some errors of judgement, and some areas would have slower uptakes than others. And that I suggest is the source of this story.

Can you come up with just one city that is uninhabited, so that we can examine it?

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Chinese Progress in their Move from a Government Financed Economy to a Private Economy

by fulltimestudent in

the chinese government is said to be about half way in the progress from a centralised command economy to a market driven, private enterprise economy.. .

link: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/china/private-capital-gets-more-bang-in-china-as-economic-reforms-step-up-20141023-11ah6z.html.

canberra times.

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DJS: I'm pulling for the Chinese. And the Russians. And the Liberians . . .

I'm sorry I cannot take the time (at the moment) to contribute more to this thread. There's only a couple of weeks until the end of the semester and the start of the examination period. So I've got all sorts of things to complete, plus a personal matter that's taken a bit of time. So most of what I've been posting is sort of like hit and run.

So in connection with your comment above, DJS, I'm sure this is what everyone wants, the opportunity for all to live a reasonable life.

I'll try and post something in response to your points also.

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What is LOVE?

by new hope and happiness in

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Ask another question.

What happened to your oxytocin levels when your son was born?

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What is LOVE?

by new hope and happiness in

...... .

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fulltimestudent

Google (and read the scientific research) oxytocin

Better still, read through these collected summaries of research, on Science Daily:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/search/?keyword=oxytocin

I often ask myself a question, could we 'feel love' without oxytocin?

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Ham had sex with his mother...

by JosephP in

in genesis 9:22, it says, "ham saw his fathers (noah) nakedness.

" over the years i have heard many theories of waht that meant.

leviticus 18:8...20:11...and 20:20-21 says.

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In Genesis 9:22, it says, "Ham saw his fathers (Noah) nakedness." Over the years I have heard many theories of waht that meant. Leviticus 18:8...20:11...and 20:20-21 says. "If a man sleeps with the wife of another man, he has uncovered the mans nakedness."

Noah put a curse on Hams son, so I would assume the child was from Noahs wife. Noah lived 400 more years after the flood, and had no other children...am I to assume he wanted nothing more to do with his wife?

For a more correct view see Aid (1971edition) page 1230 under 'Noah's intoxication'.

Genesis 9:24 tells it plainly:

Finally Noah awoke from his wine and got to know what his youngest son had done to him.

Putting it all together, the story tells us that Ham sexually penetrated his father

See also Family Sexual Secrets in Genesis - http://epistle.us/hbarticles/secrets.html

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Chinese Progress in their Move from a Government Financed Economy to a Private Economy

by fulltimestudent in

the chinese government is said to be about half way in the progress from a centralised command economy to a market driven, private enterprise economy.. .

link: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/china/private-capital-gets-more-bang-in-china-as-economic-reforms-step-up-20141023-11ah6z.html.

canberra times.

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William Penwell: It is all labels, China like Russia are still repressive regime.

William, may I ask, what you see (or, think you see) in China, that leads you to call China a 'repressive' regime?

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Was the Biblical Canon Directed by God?

by Chris Tann in

this is a question a sincere christian may agonize over after learning that some books of the bible were rejected by certain early christian groups,while other books that did not make the canon were accepted.

also,when one realizes that so called inspired writers of the greek scriptures quote from apocrypha,that most christians reject today,one wonders if these writings that include these quotes should even be in the bible.. it is true that when it comes to the christian greek scriptures the canon has been closed for many centuries.

also, these books have been accepted by christians ever since the second,perhaps first,century.

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Chris Tann Now,for me, I feel that every Christian book is in harmony with God's will and standards,whether inspired or not. Thetefore I believe at the very least that he approves of these writings for us to live by; even if some may have written things that are not accurate.

So why not just see, both so-called canonical books and any other early Christian writing, as a historical document requiring a critical analysis, to allows us to see what people were believing and doing in that period.

Putting them all together, we still have a deficient historical record for the beginnings of primitive Christianity.