So a bit of Jesus got cut off !
?? puzzled look ...
Does that mean he wasn't 'perfect' any more ???
more puzzled looks...
Was his foreskin restored by YHWH, when his beloved son was resurrected ???
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Was Jesus the Messiah circumcised ?
by smiddy3 inhas this question ever been raised before by jehovah`s witnesses?
and what`s the significance, if any ?.
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ARMAGEDDON
by Lost in the fog incan i ask please especially for all who are pomo?.
we've taken a decision similar to revelation 18:4 to get out of the watchtower and not share in its sins.. how many of you still believe that god will one day terminate the world's many systems by means of an armageddon?.
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Some people's brain cells have been ruptured !!
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A list of failed predictions of Christ's Return
by fulltimestudent insomeone associated with wikipedia has compiled this list of the many failed predictions of christ's return.
the predictions seem to come from many believers across a spectrum of various religions.
it does however, miss one that we would be aware of, freddy franz's 1975.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/predictions_and_claims_for_the_second_coming.
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It was August/September 1975, and nothing much had happened in the world, in spite of Jw expectations. But it seems there must have been a lot of discussion in Brooklyn because Nathan Knorr and Freddy Franz were travelling to various centres to explain why 'nothing much was happening.'
When it got to Sydney's (Aust) turn, the meeting was held for elders at the Greenacre Assembly Hall, Nathan kicked off the meeting by saying, that by this date, it did not seem that there was enough time left in the year for all the things to happen that the bible said would happen.
I noticed the way Nathan spoke, of course he was already a sick guy, but there was something else about him, a kind of resignation, as he spoke. He introduced Franz, to explain why that might be. Franz regurgitated some of the points he'd already made in some book, about the difficulties of calculating timelines in the bible etc. Which made it difficult to understand why they had decided to nominate 1975 as the YEAR in which it would all happen.
But, as we see from a 2022 viewpoint, 1975 etc is just another failed prediction of an event that is unlikely to ever happen - because it foundation is based on myth and superstition.
But it remained important for me. Why? because I saw firsthand Knorr's own sagging disappointment and experienced an awakening insight into christian rubbish.
Whatever the jargon used, 'End of world', 'Armageddon' 'Rapture' to encapsulate some biblical idea the fact remains that it's all based on fake information,
And it will never happen
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A list of failed predictions of Christ's Return
by fulltimestudent insomeone associated with wikipedia has compiled this list of the many failed predictions of christ's return.
the predictions seem to come from many believers across a spectrum of various religions.
it does however, miss one that we would be aware of, freddy franz's 1975.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/predictions_and_claims_for_the_second_coming.
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The Last Judgment by painter Hans Memling. In Christian belief, the Last Judgement is an apocalyptic event where God makes a final judgement of all people on Earth.
Another list (also from Wikipedia) can be found at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events
The comments are informative and you may find them interesting to read, it's referenced so you may be able to follow up on some points.
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A list of failed predictions of Christ's Return
by fulltimestudent insomeone associated with wikipedia has compiled this list of the many failed predictions of christ's return.
the predictions seem to come from many believers across a spectrum of various religions.
it does however, miss one that we would be aware of, freddy franz's 1975.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/predictions_and_claims_for_the_second_coming.
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Someone associated with Wikipedia has compiled this list of the many failed predictions of Christ's return. The predictions seem to come from many believers across a spectrum of various religions. it does however, miss one that we would be aware of, Freddy Franz's 1975.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_and_claims_for_the_Second_Coming
And for good measure, it also lists some dates in the future. predicting Christ's Return, Armageddon or the RAPTURE.
I predict these dates will also be found to be FALSE. Will that make me a SUCCESFUL prophet?????
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Is Jehovah WITHHOLDING something from Jesus?
by BoogerMan in(matthew 28:18) jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “all authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.. (1 corinthians 15:27) for god “subjected all things under his feet.”.
according to the washtowel, jesus is not going to have all of jehovah's power & authority, because he'll [jesus] need 144,000 dead/resurrected humans to help him run the earth: .
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Umm! Yes, I'd agree that there can be a lot of jargon (in your words- 'a whole set of language terms) among special interest groups. You seem to be North American so yes! a term like 'rapture' carries special meanings to members of North American churches (like verbal shorthand) but may not be used by members of other churches. In the Anglican church I attended when young, I don't think that term was ever used. Later I worked at Sydney Uni and went to lot's of protestant meetings without ever coming into contact with that (jargon) word. Do Catholics use that word? Do Orthodox Christians use that term?
I'm sorry for attaching such a long quote, but here's a complaint about the word, by a person that seems to be a member of a web-site with the title, "International Churches of God."
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FOR THOSE WHO THINK IM.SAYING THERE IS NO COMING OF CHRIST; IM NOT DOUBTING MY LORDS RETURN . IM SHOWING YOU BIBLICALLY WHY IT IS NOT CALLED THE RAPTURE. satan has been working on TAKING SOULS WITH LIES for a long time.OUR FATHER DOES NOT WANT THAT SO WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN THIS TIME TO REPENT, CHANGE, FORGIVE AND FOCUS ON GODS WORD. SHĀLÖMRapture: NOT IN BIBLE AND IM NOT SAYING THE LORD is not coming..IM ONLY SAYING IT IS NOT CALLED THE RAPTURE.MAN ADDED THAT TO A BIBLE BIG EVENT ABOUT CHRIST 2ND COMING.FIRST 4 YEARS AGO I CALLED THEM ON IT , I WAS HATED AND ATTACKED THEY CHANGED GODS WORDSFALLING AWAYTO ;CAUGHT UP BUT IT WAS UNDER THE DEFINITION OF RAPTURE BUT as an EMOTIONAL CAUGHT up. And the main definition FOR RAPTURE is feeling ecstasy and elation AND CARNEL words we feel emotionally and physically.The 2ND COMING IS SPIRITUALLY WE ARE ASCENDED UP TO THE SKY FOR A A GATHERING.I WAITED 4 YEARS TO EVEN BRING IT UP AGAING JOW THE WORD THEY ARE CHANGING FOR FALLING AWAYIS ;CATCHING AWAYAND CALLING THE 2ND COMING THE RAPTURE AGAIN...THEY ARE CALLING THE 2ND COMING THE rapture which is not in the BIBLE AND GOD DOESNT NEED OUR HELP CHANGING ADDING OR REMOVING. I FOUND THE FATHER WITH CHRIST TEACHING ONLY IN GODS WORD.THERE WILL BE A FALLING AWAY, THOSE DECEIVED, THOSE WHO ARE evil. Those who lied and rejected GODS WORDS AND GOD MADE THEM DELUSIONALTHEN satan will be exposed then the 2ND COMING OF CHRIST .CHRIST IS NOT COMING BACK; 3RD TIME . IF YOU READ WORD AS INSTRUCTED.DO NOT ADD OR REMOVE OR USE BIBLES THAT HAVE IT REMOVES SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDINGAND THOSE WHO ADD TO OR REMOVE ARE COMMITTING AN ABOMINATION AGAINST OUR FATHER.IM JUST SHARING THE TRUE WORD AND ALL CAN MAKE THERE OWN CHOICE. IT ISNT ABOUT WHO IS RIGHT ITS ABOUT EVERY ONE HEARING THE TRUTH AND COMPARING IT TO GODS WORD AND PRAYING AND SEEKING CHRIST AND HIS WORDS UNCHANGED AND TRUE.WE WILL STILL ASCEND UP TO CHRIST FOR THE GATHERING AT THE 2ND COMING.IT IS A NORTH AMERICAN MILLENNIUM TEACHING FROM SOMEONE COMMITTING AN ABOMINATION AND NOT TEACHING BY THE HOLY SPIRIT BECAUSE THE FATHER IS WAY SMARTER THEN US AND HE DOES NOT LIE IT SAYS DONT MAKE HIM A LIAR AND HYPOCRITE WILL NOT SEE GOD AND GOD DOES NOT CHANGE HIS WORDS.IM NOT TRYING TO HURT ANYONE BUT IF THE HOLY GHOST GIVES ME INFO.I WILL SPEAK AGAINST FALSE TEACHING.AS HIS DISCIPLE MY VOW TO HIM IS MOST IMPORTANT TO ME AND I WILL SQUASH AND REBUKE evil, expose what is not GODS WORD ON HIS WILL AND TIMING.RAPTURE DEFINITION IS CARNAL AND SO AGAINST AND INAPPROPRIATE OF THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST.GOD TELLS US FORNICATION IS A SIN OF DEATH, CARNAL THINKING IS DEATH.WHY WOULD HE RENAME THE SECOND COMING TO KILL EVERYONE BEFORE THE GATHERING. IT IS THE TEACHING FROM A SPIRIT OF AN ungodly SPIRIT NOT the HOLY SPIRIT.I DONT KNOW WHO DID IT AND I PRAY THEY LEARN GODS WORD IN KJV OLD. SO THE CAN TEST THE FRUITS YOU HAVE TO TEST THE FRUITS BEFORE THE SPIRITS. IM SORRY JUST NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED AND UNDERSTOOD AND BECAUSE SOMEONE ASK ME WHY I DONT BELIEVE IN IT.I DO BELIEVE IN THE SECOND COMING AND WANT ALL TO KNOW THE TRUTH IS ALL.MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A DISCIPLE IS TO PREACH THE WORD TRUE GOSPEL OF CHRIST AND HOLY SPIRIT TEACHING AND HOLY GHOST COMMANDS.GOD BLESS HOPE THIS HELPS.End of Quote.----------------------------So I suggest that your group of churches, and the Jws, are all the same, in that they develop jargon to verbally shorthand their beliefs.And in respect to use of the word 'rapture' has any group of North American users of the word been predicting failed hopes of an imminent 'rapture'? -
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Is Jehovah WITHHOLDING something from Jesus?
by BoogerMan in(matthew 28:18) jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “all authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.. (1 corinthians 15:27) for god “subjected all things under his feet.”.
according to the washtowel, jesus is not going to have all of jehovah's power & authority, because he'll [jesus] need 144,000 dead/resurrected humans to help him run the earth: .
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Hmmm!
'Church Age', 'the rapture', etc is that terminology somehow different to the jw's use of terms like, 'governing body,' 'anointed,' 'other sheep' etc.
Not defending the (indefensible) jws, just pointing out that all religions develop their own terminology.
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Sex and YHWH - 2 Samuel Ch 12.
by fulltimestudent inthere's been a few commentaries on this topic of late, so i'm offering a few more thoughts.. here's an extract from 2 samuel 12, consider for a moment the implications.. 7 then nathan said to david, “you are the man!
this is what the lord, the god of israel, says: ‘i anointed you king over israel, and i delivered you from the hand of saul.
8 i gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms.
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Smiddy, commenting on the previous post by BluesBrother, asks,
"Does that mean that Jehovah and Jesus are at odds with each?"
That's the implication, No matter how believers try to explain the changes in attitudes and doctrines.
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Sex and YHWH - 2 Samuel Ch 12.
by fulltimestudent inthere's been a few commentaries on this topic of late, so i'm offering a few more thoughts.. here's an extract from 2 samuel 12, consider for a moment the implications.. 7 then nathan said to david, “you are the man!
this is what the lord, the god of israel, says: ‘i anointed you king over israel, and i delivered you from the hand of saul.
8 i gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms.
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YHWH's threat didn't happen, because David repented, but then YHWH punishes someone else, who has to die, because David did something wrong.
Continuing to read in the Divine record:
15 After Nathan had gone home, the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and he became ill. 16 David pleaded with God for the child. He fasted and spent the nights lying in sackcloth[b] on the ground. 17 The elders of his household stood beside him to get him up from the ground, but he refused, and he would not eat any food with them.
18 On the seventh day the child died.
So this unborn child is condemned to death, and has to die because his father did something wrong.
YHWH doesn't come out of this biblical experience looking good, does he?
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Sex and YHWH - 2 Samuel Ch 12.
by fulltimestudent inthere's been a few commentaries on this topic of late, so i'm offering a few more thoughts.. here's an extract from 2 samuel 12, consider for a moment the implications.. 7 then nathan said to david, “you are the man!
this is what the lord, the god of israel, says: ‘i anointed you king over israel, and i delivered you from the hand of saul.
8 i gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms.
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There's been a few commentaries on this topic of late, so i'm offering a few more thoughts.
Here's an extract from 2 Samuel 12, consider for a moment the implications.
7 Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.
So no individual choice for these women. They seem to be just property, Iike Saul's 'house.' Even if they didn't want to be given to David, they became his property.
But read a little further and ... and YHWH threatens to give David's women to someone else.
11 “This is what the Lord says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.’”
And we note that their next owner was going to have sex with these women in public, because that was YHWH's way of punishing David. So again women appear to be, in YHWH's mind, just property.
That threat didn't happen, because David repented, but YHWH punishes someone else, who suffers death because David did something wrong.
We can think about YHWH's next threat in the next post.