Ill make a wager of one hundred dollars that on November 11, 2001 armageddon will take place or the sun will rise that day. love the cop out YK.
Kenny
perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.
as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.
since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.
Ill make a wager of one hundred dollars that on November 11, 2001 armageddon will take place or the sun will rise that day. love the cop out YK.
Kenny
this is, i must admit, a most confusing board to negotiate.
however, i happened upon a fledgling project by a mr. bboyneko which appears to provide an excellent entree into the un issue.. http://www.bboyneko.com/jw/.
lionel
Am I Doing something wrong here? I just tried to click on to the links and came up with errors on each one, except for the UN link.
I do agree about the logo, it is well done and to the point.
Kenny
i don't know if this was discussed here before, but, what is the most ignorant comment you ever heard an elder say.
i once had an elder say to me that my brother, who was at the time fighting in vietnam will be destroyed and killed over in 'nam because he did not accept "jehovah"!!!!
i promptly told him to go "f" himself.
One elder said during a sunday talk that all rock bands gave a prayer to Satan before each show. He added "it's a fact, people". everyone knew i had just been to a concert a week earlier. I told a friend of mine that he must have been praying with them and thats how he knew.
The worst one for me was when our PO told me that if I was visiting my father (non jw) and armageddon came, I would die, and if not, I would be df'd because he was living in sin. Like an idiot, I told my father. Things were never the same.
i apologize for harping on the same theme; however, i feel that at this juncture we need to step up the heat.
merely talking amongst ourselves is not going to achieve too much.
the un/wts issue, together with silentlambs and ajwrb, presents, in my view, the greatest opportunity in a long time for getting results.
Great Idea. I would be happy to donate 5 or 10 to this cause. It would take some serious planning though in a limited amount of time. I do believe, that the human rights issue to the Supreme Court could be used to our advantage. The Ohio "freedom of speech" deal, which the jws always jump up and down for has already made national news. What if the Supreme Court made more inquiries as to doctrinal beliefs in light and in contrast to the UN issue. Bang!! Then it ceases to be freedom of speech case and becomes "truth in advertising". And don't forget their own termonology of "theocratic warfare". Then it all becomes a nationally recognized US Supreme Court Case of spiritual warriors coming to your home under the pretense of false advertising. You may not need my 5 or 10.
for anyone who's interested, here is what i wrote:.
watchtower bible & tract society of new york.
25 columbia heights.
when you get the reply, please forward to my great great grandchildren.
from what i understand the wtbts is not affiliated with the un but the dpi (department of public information).
if i am right... you all are the morons.
if i am wrong the i am the moron.
hello to everyone, another newbie here.
found this board just a few days ago. seems to me that this topic has gotten way off base but makes me wonder if i should ever even ask a question. or at least not ask if i'm a moron for not completely understanding something that i'm sincerely looking for an answer.
well i finally got the guts to tell my mother that i had enlisted in the army.
she didn't say a whole lot to me, but she did tell my sister she was calling the elders and that when i was df'd she would have nothing to do with me.
i can't say that it suprises me too much, but i was hoping for more of an adult reaction.
Moridin
I joined the military when i was 22. that was in 1985 and i was told i was dfd. i dont even know if it was df or da. it really didnt matter at the time for me. i can tell you that my mother reacted identically, but over some time, the loving human being that she is came to the top and things have been ok with us for quite a while now. we dont discuss any spirtitual issues and thats ok. im glad your mother recognized what really matters and i hope the best for you. i know it was a difficult decision to make on your part considering everything involved, but in my case i have never regretted it.
i am currently involved in a relationship for the last year and a half with a man that i found out about 2 months ago is a jehovahs witness (and i am catholic).
the only reason why i found this out, was that i was pushing the issue as to why his parents do not know that i exist.
this really irritated me since he has a very close relationship with his parents.
Hello, I have just found this forum in the last few days and have learned much and feel like i've just discovered new friends. Thanx for being here.
I do have to say that calling this man a weasel might have been a bit too harsh. I have been dfd since 85 but remember well the feeling of believing what i had been programmed to believe, and wanting to live my life with freedom that I was not allowed to have. I feel for this guy, and you too christina. Like I said before, He is scared to death. It sounds like his heart is with you, but breaking away from the jws seams impossible to him. He is searching through his mind how to keep you both and it is tearing him apart. Been there, done that. I know its not right but i do remember not knowing where to turn. I think if we are all honest about it, We all remember. Hang in there, Christina.
latest un information as of 7:00 pm eastern time (canada/us).
i spoke to the man who heads the ngo office at united nations headquarters.
i will not release his name at this point because i was asked not to by the individual who gave me the contact information.
Is OldHippie a writer for the watchtower? I read alot of words and saw what looked like a paragraph, but got nothing out of it.
i am currently involved in a relationship for the last year and a half with a man that i found out about 2 months ago is a jehovahs witness (and i am catholic).
the only reason why i found this out, was that i was pushing the issue as to why his parents do not know that i exist.
this really irritated me since he has a very close relationship with his parents.
re: comments from spider. you are so on top of it. I, however understand everything you are talking about through my own experiences, but maybe trying to make clear to a non witness would be like trying to explain an orgasm to a virgin. sounds like he is just scared out of his mind. Leaving the WT is like leaving the mob. but it can be done. the man is with you because of LOVE. he is hanging on to the jws because of FEAR. i can relate to this and i hope and pray that everything works out.