i would be interested to hear members' views on:.
a) what they would consider to be a supernatural ability and.
b) what they would consider sufficient evidence to convince them it was genuine.. (it's late here so if i don't participate for the next few hours don't think i cut and run :)).
Xanthippe wrote:
... the scientific community have not taken his ideas seriously. What does that mean? I assume it means that no one wants to try and reproduce his experiments and put their reputation and funding on the line.
Your assumption unfairly characterizes the scientific community.
Vanderhoven7, when I asked what you meant by "penalty of sin," and you provided the statement "the wages of sin is death," I assumed you considered the statement to be true. Do you consider the statement to be true or not? If you do consider that statement to be true, how do you know it is true?
IO wrote: Your words "penalty of sin" are unclear to me. The word "salvation" implies harm is coming from which a person needs to be saved, or else he/she will be a victim of such harm. What harm does your so-called "penalty of sin" include?
Vanderhoven7 wrote: The wages of sin is death.
Living things die. How do you know that death is a penalty of sin?
ozziegal: I repeat, how do you know any wrath is coming?
Vanderhoven7: Your words "penalty of sin" are unclear to me. The word "salvation" implies harm is coming from which a person needs to be saved, or else he/she will be a victim of such harm. What harm does your so-called "penalty of sin" include, and how do you know this harm is coming?
i have a few questions but first let me lay out what i think i know and please correct me if i'm wrong.. .
there are 'normal' jws and there are elders.
the elders have had a kind of promotion (they way they see it) and have some 'priviliges' and access to publications that 'normal' jws don't.
If you are just a "study," they restrict the materials they let you have to things like the "What Does The Bible Really Teach" booklet, the "New World Translation" version of the Bible, and of course the public Watchtower and Awake.
Even though they let you come to the meetings where they study material like the "Our Kingdom Minstry" leaflet, the Watchtower "Study Edition" magazine, the "Benefit From Theocratic Ministry" book, and the "Organized To Do Jehovah's Will" book, they won't let you have any of them. When I was a study, I asked my study conductor if I may have or even borrow any of these items to read at home, and the response was a flat out "NO, you are not ready." When I kept asking him about it, he said, "Please stop asking me because I can't give them to you."
There is also a Pioneer book that only Pioneers can have, not the regular JW's.
You probably know that only elders can have the "Shepherd The Flock" book.
Oh another thing: If you commit to the special "Auxiliary Pioneer" offer during Memorial season, you are granted the privilege of sitting in on the regular Pioneer meetings. Normally, I'm pretty sure Auxiliary Pioneers are not allowed to sit in on the regular Pioneer meetings.
How do you know any wrath is coming?
Salvation from what?
hi guys,.
i was asked to give final prayer today after the field service meeting.
i asked for jah to bless and comfort the families of the newtown, ct massacre.
FaceTheFacts - Well maybe we could try an experiment. Anyone here who is still involved with the JW's could try praying out loud the way El_Guapo did and report back here with how the elders and fellow JW's react.
going for a word by word bible reading/study with a jw, no literature involved and maybe using more than one versions.
is that a wise move and is there any advantage?.
I like #5 and believe it applies in general. I went through a phase of considering becoming Catholic (attachment/sympathy for it due to family & childhood memories, perhaps like your boyfriend might with JW's), but my girlfriend was evangelical. I would drop hints about Catholic stuff, and finally she said, "look, I'm not going to become Catholic." I'm glad she was straight up because it forced me to get real about the implications for our relationship. I would never say it couldn't work, but you should find out if he feels your love for each other transcends religious differences.
hi guys,.
i was asked to give final prayer today after the field service meeting.
i asked for jah to bless and comfort the families of the newtown, ct massacre.
Is the elder being especially terrible, or is he just following JW protocol? Is it standard procedure for JW's to -not- pray the way El_Guapo did?
