It matters because logically, since they are elders, they would be the best, most direct, source for obtaining elders' handbooks. I would think an older elder would be a good source to ask for the older handbooks. It would be a very direct, expedient way to obtain the information. Is there a reason why you would hesitate to ask them?
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Elders' Manual - Prior to "Flock" Book
by StandFirm inthe watch tower publications index under "watch tower publications" under the "books" subheading mentions the following elders' manuals prior to the 1991 "flock" book.
1960: kingdom ministry school course.
1972: kingdom ministry school course (revised).
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Elders' Manual - Prior to "Flock" Book
by StandFirm inthe watch tower publications index under "watch tower publications" under the "books" subheading mentions the following elders' manuals prior to the 1991 "flock" book.
1960: kingdom ministry school course.
1972: kingdom ministry school course (revised).
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InterestedOne
Have you asked your local elders or not? If not, why not?
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Elders' Manual - Prior to "Flock" Book
by StandFirm inthe watch tower publications index under "watch tower publications" under the "books" subheading mentions the following elders' manuals prior to the 1991 "flock" book.
1960: kingdom ministry school course.
1972: kingdom ministry school course (revised).
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InterestedOne
Why not ask one of the elders in your local congregation? I would think they would be the best source and would know who to contact to find this material. Have you asked them yet?
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Did the Watchtower organization originate as a result of a tax cut?
by slimboyfat inin 1879 the the postal service act in the united states granted the right for magazines to be sent at second class rate.
as a public service, lowering the price on this kind of commercial mail can be viewed as a tax cut or a state subsidy encouraging this form of commercial enterprise.
if that was the intention it produced results, because it prompted a boom in mail order magazine subscriptions in the late nineteenth century.
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I recall reading that he had a for-profit called Tower Publishing, but I don't know much about it or what it published. I would be interested to see a timeline showing the various factors (e.g. tax laws, etc.) related to the development of his operations.
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Did the Watchtower organization originate as a result of a tax cut?
by slimboyfat inin 1879 the the postal service act in the united states granted the right for magazines to be sent at second class rate.
as a public service, lowering the price on this kind of commercial mail can be viewed as a tax cut or a state subsidy encouraging this form of commercial enterprise.
if that was the intention it produced results, because it prompted a boom in mail order magazine subscriptions in the late nineteenth century.
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InterestedOne
Do you think it was possible for him to get it up and running in that short a time, around 3-4 months? Or, do you think he knew the law was coming and was preparing for it ahead of time?
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what, exactly, did we witness?
by stillin ini mean, in a passive sense of the word, to witness means that we saw something or heard something.
in an active sense, we share our experience with somebody who wasn't there.. ok, "witnessing for god's kingdom" means that we somehow know something about it that needs to be shared with others.
we saw something and now we are testifying about it; but i don't seem to be able to recall what it was that i saw.
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InterestedOne
Ever since I was a child and heard the word Jehovah's "Witnesses," I always wondered to myself, "what did they witness?" meaning, "what did they see?" However, as I have learned more about our language, I have learned that the word "witness" does not always require that you saw something. For example, a scientist or doctor may be called an expert witness in court even though he/she did not actually see the event. Here is a link to a definition:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/witness
In the context of religion, a witness is someone who is willing to testify that the religious idea they are telling people about, e.g. the idea of Jehovah, is true. Notice that according to the above link the root of the word is from Old English "wit" meaning "knowledge." I guess you could say Jehovah's Witnesses claim to have knowledge about Jehovah and consider themselves in a role similar to an expert witness in court. They are willing to testify that what they are saying about Jehovah is true. One problem I see with this though is that I don't think the majority of people in the world consider them to be experts on the subject.
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Stop bashing Awake! (You just might be making it better.)
by Open mind inthe august 2011 awake!
contains the most secular article i've ever read in this magazine.
it's entitled "ibn battuta reveals his world".
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InterestedOne
Stop bashing Awake! (You just might be making it better.)
I have debated whether or not to post dissections of the various WT articles. On one hand, it helps people to see the problems in the articles, and I thank others who have helped me by posting their analyses. On the other hand, it could help the writers to become more deceptive. I have always wondered if they watch this site and pull ideas from it.
Yes, I caught that Open mind, "professed." Makes my skin crawl, and I'm not even a Christian.
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Do they read the paragraph before or after asking the questions?
by james_woods ini used to be the wt study conductor back in the 1970s.
the way i remember it, we asked the question first, got several comments, and then read the paragraph.
if we were running long on the hour time, i would sometimes just read the last few paragraphs.. something i read here made me think that this had been reveresed - i.e.
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I recently stopped attending, but during my experience with the JW's over the past year, everything (meaning WT study, cong book study, and my own personal "What Does the Bible Really Teach?" study) was in the format of - read the paragraph first, then ask the question.
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Bad day in Athiest/Jehovah's-Witnessville
by Nickolas inbear with me for a day or two, ok?
if i don't vent a bit i'll leave gray matter spontaneously spattered all over my office walls..
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Maybe I'm somewhat like the girl in Nickolas' story. I got seriously involved with a girl I thought had potential to be the one. However, her mom was a pentecostal who attended an IFB church. I know the IFB don't believe in the pentecostal stuff, but the mom kept the speaking in tongues, etc. at home - the worst of both worlds - wackiness of pentecostal with strictness of IFB. Her mom was so strict that the two of us were not even allowed to be -alone- together (even though we were in our mid-20's), except for maybe an outing here and there to the park or something. I have to say the thought of this woman being my mother in law creeped me out and led to me having second thoughts about pursuing the relationship further. I was very much attracted to the girl, physically and personality-wise, and we were falling in love, but the mother put a strain on our relationship.
You could say that if I just loved her enough, nothing should stand in the way, but the situation wasn't like that. I wanted and needed our relationship to have a chance to develop and breathe, and I got a sense from talking to my girlfriend that her mother was still causing confusion in her mind. I was concerned that we would get married and then maybe my girlfriend might snap and go weird on me. I wonder if the girl in Nickolas' story had similar concerns. Like maybe she was concerned that the son might start to sympathize with the mother's JW ideas and the marriage might suffer. Is he able to give a future mate the confidence that he will not pull the rug out from under her and revert to his mom's JW ideas? Or, does he waffle on these matters?
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Hurt Email or Hate Email
by Snowboarder inwell recently i got a long email from a jw in vancouver, she read my blog ( http://sochiolympicgames.blogspot.com/ ) and attacked me hard!
can anyone tell me what i am doing wrong?
my blog simply states the truth, she can't understand the whole picuture.
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InterestedOne
She sounds exactly like my JW friend. It didn't take much for me to trigger this kind of reaction from her. At first I was surprised at the way she reacted, as you seem to be surprised. However, the more I looked carefully at the literature, sat & listened at the meetings, listened to JW's talk among themselves, and read JW dialogue online, I realized I should not be surprised at all. You should not be surprised either. I have no solution for what to do about it, but if I were you I would apply the advice of the people who have posted above.