The bible itself does not agree on the day, so you are unlikely to pursuade a JW. However, it seems likely they are celebrating on the correct day, Nisan 14, the day before the passover, although JW's wrongly think that Jesus also celebrated the Passover first. Even if they have the day right they still ignore his instructions to partake.
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Was Last Supper a Passover meal ?
by Phizzy inaccording to russell in zions watchtower of march 1896 he wanted his little church in allegeheny to celebrate the last supper on nisan14 becuase jesus instituted it then, some time after 6pm, by 3pm the next afternoon, still nisan14 he was dead.. at 6pm three hours later nisan15 began, passover began, and the jews would eat the lamb and bitter herbs, when the sun was down... so russells view was that jesus did not celebrate passover, being dead, on preperation day.. thus jesus died at the time the lambs were being slaughtered in jerusalem.. if i am correct the wt's latest explanation on this is not quite as clear as russells.
they seem to infer the last supper was a seder, a passover celebration, and that the slaughter of the lamb ,eating of the lamb, and jesus death all took place on nisan 14, have i got that right, or as usual is phizzy in a mucking fuddle ?
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I went to the 1969 Peace on Earth convention in Wembley. And sadly I always fell for this crap:
" If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years "
Today I see the trickery in the words. In the first sentence they state as fact I would never grow old, but in the third sentence the evidence only 'indicates' it might be. This is how the GB lies their way out of things years later, by republishing the third sentence and saying the publishers ran away with themselves when they believed the 'fact' of sentence one.
How could I have been so gullible? I will never know the answer to that now, but I do know if I ever met a member of the GB I would punch him in the face and not give that a second thought.
I did grow old. And to any young JW reading this I will state as a fact that you will grow old too. Because all the evidence indicates the GB are all liars.
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Iran vs Israel and the USA = WW III (Should we be worried?)
by Me Myself and I inthis particular bowl of soup has been bubbling for some time now, with various posturing and toing and froing.
looking at the media and the subsequent comments from israel regarding iran, it looks clear that something is going to happen soon, very soon..... with iran having the ears of both china and russia, israel having the us and of course we (uk) as the states poodle on the other side.
i wonder if this could be the beginning of the end?.
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"shepherd: You show me that he didn't (see if you like it)."
Listen buster, you called me a liar, you now have the opportunity to prove it. You can't. So you turn the tables and ask me to prove my innocence. Obviously you are wrong and that's why you can't prove the Iranian president said he would use nuclear weapons on Iran. An apology would be in order, although I don't expect one because your social skills have been entirely lacking so far.
I am not going to drag this thread down into an argument between us so I will not reply further. I called you out and you failed to deliver. That's enough for me.
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Iran vs Israel and the USA = WW III (Should we be worried?)
by Me Myself and I inthis particular bowl of soup has been bubbling for some time now, with various posturing and toing and froing.
looking at the media and the subsequent comments from israel regarding iran, it looks clear that something is going to happen soon, very soon..... with iran having the ears of both china and russia, israel having the us and of course we (uk) as the states poodle on the other side.
i wonder if this could be the beginning of the end?.
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Nowhere in the contents of that link does the Iranian president say he would use nuclear weapons on Israel. If I missed that part, quote it directly, or shut up.
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Iran vs Israel and the USA = WW III (Should we be worried?)
by Me Myself and I inthis particular bowl of soup has been bubbling for some time now, with various posturing and toing and froing.
looking at the media and the subsequent comments from israel regarding iran, it looks clear that something is going to happen soon, very soon..... with iran having the ears of both china and russia, israel having the us and of course we (uk) as the states poodle on the other side.
i wonder if this could be the beginning of the end?.
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shepherd
Where did the Iranian president say he would use nuclear weapons on Israel? The first time you insulted me by calling me a liar I ignored it. Now you repeat it, so put up or shut up.
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Iran vs Israel and the USA = WW III (Should we be worried?)
by Me Myself and I inthis particular bowl of soup has been bubbling for some time now, with various posturing and toing and froing.
looking at the media and the subsequent comments from israel regarding iran, it looks clear that something is going to happen soon, very soon..... with iran having the ears of both china and russia, israel having the us and of course we (uk) as the states poodle on the other side.
i wonder if this could be the beginning of the end?.
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Where is your proof too? Only one country in the entire history of nuclear weapons has EVER used them - the USA.
Israel has nuclear weapons. The USA has nuclear weapons. If Iran used one they know they would be bombed in retaliation. The potential for the death of millions of Iranians exists if they used the bomb on Israel first. The Iranian president may be an enemy of Israel but he is not insane. Nor is he the one who has the final say. He is not like the US president - Unlike some other countries, for example the United States, in Iran the office of president does not bestow full control over foreign policy, the armed forces, or the nuclear policy of the Iranian state, which are ultimately under the control of the Supreme Leader.
It's not my gut feeling. Educated opinion supports the view Iran, if it is seeking nuclear weapons at all, is doing so as a defensive measure.
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Iran vs Israel and the USA = WW III (Should we be worried?)
by Me Myself and I inthis particular bowl of soup has been bubbling for some time now, with various posturing and toing and froing.
looking at the media and the subsequent comments from israel regarding iran, it looks clear that something is going to happen soon, very soon..... with iran having the ears of both china and russia, israel having the us and of course we (uk) as the states poodle on the other side.
i wonder if this could be the beginning of the end?.
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@Joey Jo-Jo Strong words from you, and strong words from the Iranian president. It is no secret either side hates each other. But Iran would not use a nuclear device on Israel in a first strike. North Korea has nukes too, and they are led by fanatics, but they are not about to bomb South Korea either.
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Iran vs Israel and the USA = WW III (Should we be worried?)
by Me Myself and I inthis particular bowl of soup has been bubbling for some time now, with various posturing and toing and froing.
looking at the media and the subsequent comments from israel regarding iran, it looks clear that something is going to happen soon, very soon..... with iran having the ears of both china and russia, israel having the us and of course we (uk) as the states poodle on the other side.
i wonder if this could be the beginning of the end?.
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@Joey Jo-Jo He never said anything about using nukes on Israel. You should not be surprised to hear anti-Israeli sentiments in the ME. They are said all the time, in Egypt and Saudi too, but they are not reported in the US because those countries are allies.
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Iran vs Israel and the USA = WW III (Should we be worried?)
by Me Myself and I inthis particular bowl of soup has been bubbling for some time now, with various posturing and toing and froing.
looking at the media and the subsequent comments from israel regarding iran, it looks clear that something is going to happen soon, very soon..... with iran having the ears of both china and russia, israel having the us and of course we (uk) as the states poodle on the other side.
i wonder if this could be the beginning of the end?.
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Iran has not attacked another country in 300 years. Even if they were to have the bomb they are not about to drop it on Jerusalem. They know the retaliation would wipe them out. So why would they want one? Self-defense! So many other countries are destabalized and even invaded on false pretexts (like Iraq) that they would feel safer with a bomb.
As for Israel, they are taking full advantage of this election year to force the US to do its bidding. They know that if they attack Obama has no choice but to support it. At the moment the US is being led by the nose by Israel.
And please don't believe all the media hype about Iran, especially if you live in the States. Just because Fox says so does not mean even one word is true.
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If one were to shun and ignore Witnesses does that make one just as bad as them?
by ThomasCovenant infor all the criticism of jehovah's witnesses' shunning policy, if one (an ex jw) were to deliberately avoid contact with witnesses and, dare i say, shun them, does that mean that one is just as bad?.
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I don't agree with shunning. Even if someone has pissed me off that's no reason to ignore them and act as if they are not there. I would not ignore even an enemy, although a greeting may be limited to a nod in passing. I don't think shunning protects you. It's what happens following the initial greeting that matters.
Screening phone calls and avoiding going where someone you don't like is likely to be is not really shunning. Shunning is when you are in a situation where normally you would acknowledge their existence in some way and you don't.