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  Did you DF yourself on purpose?

  by Evidently Apostate in

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  lately i have been thinking about saying something apostate to my elder father in law.

  he is an uber witness and actually believed that god interveined and saved him when he had a heart attack and kept him alive, until he told me that and i asked him why jehovah allowed jws in nazi concentration camps to suffer horribly and die but he loved an alcoholic more than them.. i havent been to a kh in 6 months or in service in years.

  i grew a beard and basicallyhe avoids talking to me.

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  glander, that is an awesome suggestion!

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  How can one get JW friends or family to read Ray Franz' books?

  by Fernando in

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  one idea: ask them to explain "legalism" and its opposite to you.

  keep asking questions to draw them out, get them to clarify and speak from the heart.. there is only one article in the entire wt library cd referring to "legalism" and it reads like a summary of his book isocf..

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  That is tough bro, through many conversations with my relative, she shares many of my concerns about the org. She is beholden to the group though because "they do so much good" The bigger draw though is her ENTIRE social structure is in the org. So even though she has many concerns and realizes that the gb is about as inspired as the pope she will not read any of Franz books. She says she wants to be able to be truthful when/if the conversation ever comes up with the elders. (ref not reading aspostate literature)

  I suppose one day she may feel comfortable reading one of the books. I started with her by just getting copies of old literature. She would then verify the info at a friends house who has an entire library of old russel era books. She couldnt beleive all the bat shit crazy things in them. I suppose it helps though that she had already started to question the mediator only for the 144000.

  Good luck, plant as may seeds as you can

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  Did you DF yourself on purpose?

  by Evidently Apostate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  lately i have been thinking about saying something apostate to my elder father in law.

  he is an uber witness and actually believed that god interveined and saved him when he had a heart attack and kept him alive, until he told me that and i asked him why jehovah allowed jws in nazi concentration camps to suffer horribly and die but he loved an alcoholic more than them.. i havent been to a kh in 6 months or in service in years.

  i grew a beard and basicallyhe avoids talking to me.

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  I personally DA'd myself. I stayed in for a while because I promised my mother that I wouldnt DA myself unless it was neccessary but I would not hide things that I was doing; holidays and such. I knew it wouldnt be long as I have two children that still go to meetings with the ex who lives in the same area. Two mature lemmings came to the door when they saw my christmas decorations and finally after two informal "talks" with these "men" they informed me of the judicial commitee (even though they swore they were not there to judge me). I told them not to worry because I was not going to be judged by three men in a closed door back room meeting and turned in a short letter to them.

  I know some people dont think they need to answer at all to these people because "they dont have any influence in their lives now" I can respect that but for me personally I did agree to be in the org (even though i was young) and I do not want to have any ties to them now. I didnt preach in my letter just very short and simple and that was my way of breaking the ties. If people will shun you for that than they really dont DESERVE to be around you. Surrounding yourself with people of high character sometimes means ridding yourself of those who dont have it.

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  School Brochure

  by pbrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hello all,.

  i am looking to see if anyone has links to either the old school brochure (early 80's or the newer 90's version) checked some of the topics already posted and the links seem to be dead.. thank you in advance!.

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  pbrow

  Hello all,

  I am looking to see if anyone has links to either the old school brochure (early 80's or the newer 90's version) Checked some of the topics already posted and the links seem to be dead.

  Thank you in advance!

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  Starting to read Crisis of Conscience....

  by confuzzled777 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after almost 2 years of being wrongfully disfellowshipped and over a year after finding this site....i am starting to read crisis of conscience.

  i will not lie....i am a bit nervous as to what information i will find in the book.

  i have a strong feeling that i will end up crying through most of it as i will start to see the truth about the "truth".

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  amen alias!!

  isnt it funny how afraid you were of a BOOK!! Almost looking over your shoulders when you read it!! I try to get family members to read it and they have the same aversion to reading it! It is almost laughable if it wasnt so scary how people are programmed not to touch that "aspostate garbage" Both books are very encouraging and excellent examples of personal freedom. These books will help you live the life you were born to live.

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  Starting to read Crisis of Conscience....

  by confuzzled777 in

  1. jw
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  after almost 2 years of being wrongfully disfellowshipped and over a year after finding this site....i am starting to read crisis of conscience.

  i will not lie....i am a bit nervous as to what information i will find in the book.

  i have a strong feeling that i will end up crying through most of it as i will start to see the truth about the "truth".

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  confuzzled... i second the 1000 lb weight being lifted of your shouders!

  I remember the paradigm shift as I stood in my girlfriends hallway with coc in one hand and my other hand slapping my forehead after realizing i had been lied to for 30 years!

  its horrible and wonderful all at the same time!

  search for truth no matter where it may lead you.

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  How did our parents do it?

  by pbrow in

  1. jw
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  how did you bury your head in the sand when something didnt seem right but you forced this religion on your kids anyway?

  i was a born in, my mother was a convert.

  ill admit, before i had kids i suppressed doubts and thought "this is as close as it gets to the truth" as soon as i had kids and realized that i now had to teach this garbage to my kids w/out really believing it was enough to get me to realize the cognitive dissonance stops here.

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  touche Aussie! things are really never as black and white as they seem!

  3rd gen, now that you bring up those things up I guess I could remember certain families that made it a point to fill in some of the voids for us kids as well as the adults. My aunt was awesome at that kind of stuff and then it just died out in the late 80's.

  Ok, Im done being pissed at all you evil parents!

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  How did our parents do it?

  by pbrow in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how did you bury your head in the sand when something didnt seem right but you forced this religion on your kids anyway?

  i was a born in, my mother was a convert.

  ill admit, before i had kids i suppressed doubts and thought "this is as close as it gets to the truth" as soon as i had kids and realized that i now had to teach this garbage to my kids w/out really believing it was enough to get me to realize the cognitive dissonance stops here.

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  morbin and ann, not sure how its misleading, I was a born in of a single mother. I have asked the same questions of my mother and she doesnt have a real good answer although she is waking up as well.

  I am definately in the "just get out" program. It is what I have done and its working fairly well... ask me again in 10 to 15 years. I think it works the best. I understand some of the reasons fof people who stay in, my mother is one of them. To me having kids means having to teach them, and having to teach them means I cant just skate by anymore and I had better learn why I believe what I believe. That is my point. There is some confusion when you just quit cold turkey. If you teach any of this stuff to your kids you are making it normal to them. I am probably just going through the progression of completely ridding myself of being raised a dub. I am not trying to be judgemental. Please know that being raised as a JW has an enormous effect on kids. Every meeting, every assembly are all geared towards shaping and molding these kids minds. I dont want anyone, the least of all my children, to have to wait until their mid 30's to realize its all a scam.

  Hey, blues, I think having children actually saved me! I think its so true that religion is something that when your surrounded by it you have no other perspective and at least for me when I had children it forced me to really have to answer the difficult questions that are usually just answered "wait on Jehovah" by the dubs.

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  How did our parents do it?

  by pbrow in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how did you bury your head in the sand when something didnt seem right but you forced this religion on your kids anyway?

  i was a born in, my mother was a convert.

  ill admit, before i had kids i suppressed doubts and thought "this is as close as it gets to the truth" as soon as i had kids and realized that i now had to teach this garbage to my kids w/out really believing it was enough to get me to realize the cognitive dissonance stops here.

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  lol, yeah, thats what I was looking for!

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  How did our parents do it?

  by pbrow in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how did you bury your head in the sand when something didnt seem right but you forced this religion on your kids anyway?

  i was a born in, my mother was a convert.

  ill admit, before i had kids i suppressed doubts and thought "this is as close as it gets to the truth" as soon as i had kids and realized that i now had to teach this garbage to my kids w/out really believing it was enough to get me to realize the cognitive dissonance stops here.

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  Parents.... How did you put your kids through this religion? How did you bury your head in the sand when something didnt seem right but you forced this religion on your kids anyway? I was a born in, my mother was a convert. Ill admit, before I had kids I suppressed doubts and thought "this is as close as it gets to the truth" As soon as I had kids and realized that I now had to teach this garbage to my kids w/out really believing it was enough to get me to realize the cognitive dissonance stops here. What I want to know from any of you out there is how the f*ck did you allow yourself to continue to see what you saw and still teach this crap to your kids? I liken it to the @$$holes in india or africa who allow their six year old daughters to get married because they dont want the daughters to shame them by getting raped. I get the "born in, the way its always been done" line of reasoning. But when you actually have a child, you actually have a living, breathing, beautiful daughter what in god's name doesnt make you wake the eff up and say "I will not allow my daughter to get married at six"

  No birthdays because it is putting children before god? No extra curriculars because it takes time away from god? No voting for city council because your choosing your alderman over god? No blood during an emergency c section because its putting your childs life above god? Wake the eff up parents and get your gets the hell out!

  pbrow