Posts by pbrow

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more JW splinter groups to poke sticks at...yes Burney, at you

by Aussie Oz in

from the grat wikipedia (long may it live).

in 1993, mathematician gordon ritchie requested baptism by jehovah's witnesses and almost immediately began advocating disagreements with their teachings.

he claims he was expelled for apostasy in march 1996.

pbrow

prodigalson, i completely agree. The idea that "the truth" is contained in a book will always allow the few charismatic leaders to fleece the many. I feel that the bible has some good principals (havent really read any other "sacred texts") but I am very reluctant to teach my children out of the bible for fear that coupled with my jw ex's view that the bible is inspired by god, they will come to the conclusion that the bible is the be all end all and if only someone comes along with the "proper" interpretation of it they just have to follow that person or group.

Keep your own council, the truth is inward. I am drawn to the stoics view of self control and clear thinking and especially Seneca's view on anger. Hopefully I can pass that on to my children.

pbrow

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more JW splinter groups to poke sticks at...yes Burney, at you

by Aussie Oz in

from the grat wikipedia (long may it live).

in 1993, mathematician gordon ritchie requested baptism by jehovah's witnesses and almost immediately began advocating disagreements with their teachings.

he claims he was expelled for apostasy in march 1996.

pbrow

I always amazes me how someone can actually see the things that a religion is doing wrong, leave and then go and start another church. If someone is a christian why in gods name (no pun intended) would they start a new church and try to get people to follow them?

still thinking, your probably right. more $$$$

pbrow

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How many trees does it take to print WTB&TS mags each month?

by wannabefree in

if my math is correct .... public watchtower printed each issue: 42,182,000. awake printed each issue: 41,042,000.

7.24" x 9.47" x 16 pages two sides.

16 x 9.47" x 41,042,000. one magazine end to end - 151.52".

pbrow

Although one could argue that the watchtower and awake are certainly bad for the enviroment, we have more than enough trees in the United States. In a recent "WOOD" magazine I read, tree production/conservation is more than sufficient for our needs here. If i remember correctly there are more acres of forests now than 80 years ago.

I suppose we all wish the chemicals were the worst thing that came out of the printing presses in Brooklyn!!

pbrow

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Is there one Bible Prophecy.....

by Phizzy in

in the form of a prediction, that can be proven to truly be a prediction,i.e written before the event, and it came true ?.

it would be good not to have time wasters on this thread in the form of the common ones that are brought up to demonstrate the bible's prophetic prowess, like cyrus being named , these have been debunked already.. but does there seem to be a genuine prophecy in there somewhere ?.

pbrow

Yahtzee!! cofty.

You know I get really pissed off when I read these ftards talk about prophesies and messiahs but then I realize that you all are not jdubs who think everyone is who doesnt believe what they believe will get their eyes pecked out!

I agree tornapart... there are BILLIONS! (i would say narrow is the path that leads to life but that would just seem stupid)

ok, im calm now

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Did you DF yourself on purpose?

by Evidently Apostate in

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friends

lately i have been thinking about saying something apostate to my elder father in law.

he is an uber witness and actually believed that god interveined and saved him when he had a heart attack and kept him alive, until he told me that and i asked him why jehovah allowed jws in nazi concentration camps to suffer horribly and die but he loved an alcoholic more than them.. i havent been to a kh in 6 months or in service in years.

i grew a beard and basicallyhe avoids talking to me.

pbrow

glander, that is an awesome suggestion!

pbrow

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How can one get JW friends or family to read Ray Franz' books?

by Fernando in

one idea: ask them to explain "legalism" and its opposite to you.

keep asking questions to draw them out, get them to clarify and speak from the heart.. there is only one article in the entire wt library cd referring to "legalism" and it reads like a summary of his book isocf..

pbrow

That is tough bro, through many conversations with my relative, she shares many of my concerns about the org. She is beholden to the group though because "they do so much good" The bigger draw though is her ENTIRE social structure is in the org. So even though she has many concerns and realizes that the gb is about as inspired as the pope she will not read any of Franz books. She says she wants to be able to be truthful when/if the conversation ever comes up with the elders. (ref not reading aspostate literature)

I suppose one day she may feel comfortable reading one of the books. I started with her by just getting copies of old literature. She would then verify the info at a friends house who has an entire library of old russel era books. She couldnt beleive all the bat shit crazy things in them. I suppose it helps though that she had already started to question the mediator only for the 144000.

Good luck, plant as may seeds as you can

pbrow

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Did you DF yourself on purpose?

by Evidently Apostate in

jw
friends

lately i have been thinking about saying something apostate to my elder father in law.

he is an uber witness and actually believed that god interveined and saved him when he had a heart attack and kept him alive, until he told me that and i asked him why jehovah allowed jws in nazi concentration camps to suffer horribly and die but he loved an alcoholic more than them.. i havent been to a kh in 6 months or in service in years.

i grew a beard and basicallyhe avoids talking to me.

pbrow

I personally DA'd myself. I stayed in for a while because I promised my mother that I wouldnt DA myself unless it was neccessary but I would not hide things that I was doing; holidays and such. I knew it wouldnt be long as I have two children that still go to meetings with the ex who lives in the same area. Two mature lemmings came to the door when they saw my christmas decorations and finally after two informal "talks" with these "men" they informed me of the judicial commitee (even though they swore they were not there to judge me). I told them not to worry because I was not going to be judged by three men in a closed door back room meeting and turned in a short letter to them.

I know some people dont think they need to answer at all to these people because "they dont have any influence in their lives now" I can respect that but for me personally I did agree to be in the org (even though i was young) and I do not want to have any ties to them now. I didnt preach in my letter just very short and simple and that was my way of breaking the ties. If people will shun you for that than they really dont DESERVE to be around you. Surrounding yourself with people of high character sometimes means ridding yourself of those who dont have it.

pbrow

School Brochure

by pbrow in

hello all,.

i am looking to see if anyone has links to either the old school brochure (early 80's or the newer 90's version) checked some of the topics already posted and the links seem to be dead.. thank you in advance!.

pbrow.

pbrow

Hello all,

I am looking to see if anyone has links to either the old school brochure (early 80's or the newer 90's version) Checked some of the topics already posted and the links seem to be dead.

Thank you in advance!

pbrow

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Starting to read Crisis of Conscience....

by confuzzled777 in

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friends

after almost 2 years of being wrongfully disfellowshipped and over a year after finding this site....i am starting to read crisis of conscience.

i will not lie....i am a bit nervous as to what information i will find in the book.

i have a strong feeling that i will end up crying through most of it as i will start to see the truth about the "truth".

pbrow

amen alias!!

isnt it funny how afraid you were of a BOOK!! Almost looking over your shoulders when you read it!! I try to get family members to read it and they have the same aversion to reading it! It is almost laughable if it wasnt so scary how people are programmed not to touch that "aspostate garbage" Both books are very encouraging and excellent examples of personal freedom. These books will help you live the life you were born to live.

pbrow

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Starting to read Crisis of Conscience....

by confuzzled777 in

jw
friends

after almost 2 years of being wrongfully disfellowshipped and over a year after finding this site....i am starting to read crisis of conscience.

i will not lie....i am a bit nervous as to what information i will find in the book.

i have a strong feeling that i will end up crying through most of it as i will start to see the truth about the "truth".

pbrow

confuzzled... i second the 1000 lb weight being lifted of your shouders!

I remember the paradigm shift as I stood in my girlfriends hallway with coc in one hand and my other hand slapping my forehead after realizing i had been lied to for 30 years!

its horrible and wonderful all at the same time!

search for truth no matter where it may lead you.

pbrow