from the grat wikipedia (long may it live).
in 1993, mathematician gordon ritchie requested baptism by jehovah's witnesses and almost immediately began advocating disagreements with their teachings.
he claims he was expelled for apostasy in march 1996.
yoorway.... Just to be fair I actually read your main page. What part of JC's sacrifice do you not understand? We no longer need the mosaic law. You know, "The law condems to death but the spirit makes alive" and all that? I wish you and the 20,000 other demonimations the best as being "the one and only true religion" Wait, except the JW's. They are an apostate religion. so I guess it would be 19,999 other denominations saying the exact same thing as you.
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from the grat wikipedia (long may it live).
in 1993, mathematician gordon ritchie requested baptism by jehovah's witnesses and almost immediately began advocating disagreements with their teachings.
he claims he was expelled for apostasy in march 1996.
persecution! persecution! persecution!
"as jesus promised the wicked would do".... "have gone back to a life of debauchery" blah blah blah blah blah blah. Vexed like "righteous lot"?? Was lot righteous becase he had sex with his own daughters or because he offered them up to rape by men of their village? Your "truth" is a lie bro. The"truth" is not in a book that was literally written by men. Wake the eff up
What gives you the right to judge the WTBTS as "clearly wicked"? You and the 20,000 other denominations extolling the virtues of how righteous you are and happy you are and how evil and wicked everyone else are is surely the model that JC wanted to project.
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in the form of a prediction, that can be proven to truly be a prediction,i.e written before the event, and it came true ?.
it would be good not to have time wasters on this thread in the form of the common ones that are brought up to demonstrate the bible's prophetic prowess, like cyrus being named , these have been debunked already.. but does there seem to be a genuine prophecy in there somewhere ?.
cofty i just reread my post and yes i agree with you, i just type like an ftard (should it be "a ftard" or "an ftard, because if the word starts with...nevermind) when i get heated about prophesies and such. I dont exactly remember what my billions comment was about.
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from the grat wikipedia (long may it live).
in 1993, mathematician gordon ritchie requested baptism by jehovah's witnesses and almost immediately began advocating disagreements with their teachings.
he claims he was expelled for apostasy in march 1996.
prodigalson, i completely agree. The idea that "the truth" is contained in a book will always allow the few charismatic leaders to fleece the many. I feel that the bible has some good principals (havent really read any other "sacred texts") but I am very reluctant to teach my children out of the bible for fear that coupled with my jw ex's view that the bible is inspired by god, they will come to the conclusion that the bible is the be all end all and if only someone comes along with the "proper" interpretation of it they just have to follow that person or group.
Keep your own council, the truth is inward. I am drawn to the stoics view of self control and clear thinking and especially Seneca's view on anger. Hopefully I can pass that on to my children.
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from the grat wikipedia (long may it live).
in 1993, mathematician gordon ritchie requested baptism by jehovah's witnesses and almost immediately began advocating disagreements with their teachings.
he claims he was expelled for apostasy in march 1996.
I always amazes me how someone can actually see the things that a religion is doing wrong, leave and then go and start another church. If someone is a christian why in gods name (no pun intended) would they start a new church and try to get people to follow them?
still thinking, your probably right. more $$$$
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if my math is correct .... public watchtower printed each issue: 42,182,000. awake printed each issue: 41,042,000.
7.24" x 9.47" x 16 pages two sides.
16 x 9.47" x 41,042,000. one magazine end to end - 151.52".
Although one could argue that the watchtower and awake are certainly bad for the enviroment, we have more than enough trees in the United States. In a recent "WOOD" magazine I read, tree production/conservation is more than sufficient for our needs here. If i remember correctly there are more acres of forests now than 80 years ago.
I suppose we all wish the chemicals were the worst thing that came out of the printing presses in Brooklyn!!
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in the form of a prediction, that can be proven to truly be a prediction,i.e written before the event, and it came true ?.
it would be good not to have time wasters on this thread in the form of the common ones that are brought up to demonstrate the bible's prophetic prowess, like cyrus being named , these have been debunked already.. but does there seem to be a genuine prophecy in there somewhere ?.
Yahtzee!! cofty.
You know I get really pissed off when I read these ftards talk about prophesies and messiahs but then I realize that you all are not jdubs who think everyone is who doesnt believe what they believe will get their eyes pecked out!
I agree tornapart... there are BILLIONS! (i would say narrow is the path that leads to life but that would just seem stupid)
ok, im calm now
lately i have been thinking about saying something apostate to my elder father in law.
he is an uber witness and actually believed that god interveined and saved him when he had a heart attack and kept him alive, until he told me that and i asked him why jehovah allowed jws in nazi concentration camps to suffer horribly and die but he loved an alcoholic more than them.. i havent been to a kh in 6 months or in service in years.
i grew a beard and basicallyhe avoids talking to me.
glander, that is an awesome suggestion!
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one idea: ask them to explain "legalism" and its opposite to you.
keep asking questions to draw them out, get them to clarify and speak from the heart.. there is only one article in the entire wt library cd referring to "legalism" and it reads like a summary of his book isocf..
That is tough bro, through many conversations with my relative, she shares many of my concerns about the org. She is beholden to the group though because "they do so much good" The bigger draw though is her ENTIRE social structure is in the org. So even though she has many concerns and realizes that the gb is about as inspired as the pope she will not read any of Franz books. She says she wants to be able to be truthful when/if the conversation ever comes up with the elders. (ref not reading aspostate literature)
I suppose one day she may feel comfortable reading one of the books. I started with her by just getting copies of old literature. She would then verify the info at a friends house who has an entire library of old russel era books. She couldnt beleive all the bat shit crazy things in them. I suppose it helps though that she had already started to question the mediator only for the 144000.
Good luck, plant as may seeds as you can
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lately i have been thinking about saying something apostate to my elder father in law.
he is an uber witness and actually believed that god interveined and saved him when he had a heart attack and kept him alive, until he told me that and i asked him why jehovah allowed jws in nazi concentration camps to suffer horribly and die but he loved an alcoholic more than them.. i havent been to a kh in 6 months or in service in years.
i grew a beard and basicallyhe avoids talking to me.
I personally DA'd myself. I stayed in for a while because I promised my mother that I wouldnt DA myself unless it was neccessary but I would not hide things that I was doing; holidays and such. I knew it wouldnt be long as I have two children that still go to meetings with the ex who lives in the same area. Two mature lemmings came to the door when they saw my christmas decorations and finally after two informal "talks" with these "men" they informed me of the judicial commitee (even though they swore they were not there to judge me). I told them not to worry because I was not going to be judged by three men in a closed door back room meeting and turned in a short letter to them.
I know some people dont think they need to answer at all to these people because "they dont have any influence in their lives now" I can respect that but for me personally I did agree to be in the org (even though i was young) and I do not want to have any ties to them now. I didnt preach in my letter just very short and simple and that was my way of breaking the ties. If people will shun you for that than they really dont DESERVE to be around you. Surrounding yourself with people of high character sometimes means ridding yourself of those who dont have it.
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