Posts by pbrow

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Demon possesion, bunch of crap or?

by raven in

i've been using the forum to vent and post a lot more frequently lately as a venting purpose & way to obtain peace of mind with the craziness i've been going through recently as i fade away form the org.

anyways today i'm sitting here at work and thinking to myself about demons... ok i know this sounds crazy but has anyone else out there been traumatized by the thought of demons?

i had a dream the other night, just flat out spooky and i woke and couldn't help but feeling it may have been evil ole' satan and his demons at it again.. i don't want to believe that, (trying not to, & just brushing it under the rug so to speak) but have any of you out there been talked up about demons?

pbrow

Apostate!!!!! The elephant is very clearly reddish with an orange hue... not this blasphemous pink color that you talk about!

As for me and my household we trust in the noodly appendage

pbrow

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Medal of Valor given by Obama to JW Grandmother - Check her Lapel Pin

by Da.Furious in

this grandmother found the best way to advertise jw.org by wearing a huge lapel pin.. .

some of the comments are really interesting.. link to article:.

http://www.phillyvoice.com/obama-award-medal-valor-family-slain-philadelphia-police-officer-robert-wilson-iii-monday/.

pbrow

Of effing course she was counting time!!! Counting time with Pres Obama!! No doubt this ignorant broad was proud as fuck telling Obama what jdub org is all about.

Ahhh the humble pride of christianity

Hey Baker.... they will buy a private jet just so they can justify putting up the big blue.... its the closest they will get to Jah!

pbrow

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Beyond the Kingdom Hall.

by The Rebel in

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the religoios lessons themselfs are not missed, they were actually quite dull, and i realize i learnt nothing of value from them.

instead a quite evening at home playing with my boy is more endearing.. yes my life has moved on, i occassionaly see members of my former congregation in shopping centers, or they are putting the kids in to the back of the car and inside i believe most of them have bottled it, they prefer the comfort to the " truth" who am i to expose the can of worms.. many of course can blame parents or grandparents for having grown up as outcasts in school and i hope if they do leave like me they hold no resentment.

indoctrination is a terrible thing, and even false prophecy, royal commissions, and proof that many of the elders in the congregation are complete and utter shits won't change them.

pbrow

Hey Mark... that picture is awesome... do you know the name of the cartoon or of the picture?

pbrow

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CHILD BAPTISM

by megabyte_vijay in

it is strange to read the last week watchtower that encouraging child/teenagers' baptism.

even jesus was baptised as his 30. jws encouraging marriages at an older age.

but why they are encouraging children to get baptised.

pbrow

They are proud of not baptizing babies... because that is stooooopid!!

They are proud of responsible, thoughtful and intelligent 8 year olds who are willing to sign their life away to the group.....

HUGE difference here

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I'm getting baptized

by BlackWolf in

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i know i've started similar topics before but this time i'm serious.

my parents have been constantly pressuring me and after yesterday's watchtower study they asked me if i was going to be baptized this summer... and i said yes.

i probably should have thought about it more before making a final decision, but they're pretty much forcing me to do it anyway.

pbrow

I would be in the "dont do it" camp but I am not a 15 year old trapped in the situation you are in. I am 30+ who lives my own life.

Do what you need to do to survive but make the commitment that you will get out. Sometimes at such a young age we cannot see past tomorrow, next week or even next year. Baptised or not, you will get through this. You will face consequences both ways. The very fact that you are on this website shows that you are worlds away from where I was when I was 15. I had no idea there was life outside the bubble. You do and it is great! Buy your time, firm your resolve and do whatever you need to do to survive.

If you have to get baptized you will face very real consequences. If you dont get baptized you will face consequences. Be true to yourself always even if you have to "play a role" for others. Most importantly, remember that tomorrow is always coming, you have options, you will make new friends and you will get through this!

I do not know you but please know that you are loved.

pbrow

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Raising kids in a split faith household

by rathernotsay in

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hi guys, don't know if this is the right place to ask but id like to hear other peoples experiences with raising kids in a household with split faiths.

just for a bit of a back story, my wife and i have been married for comming up 6 years.

we have 3 kids, 2 boys aged 5 and 3 and a 8 week old girl.

pbrow

Your situation does not sound like a run for the hills scenario. 67% of kids leave... across the board, that is kids that are in the bubble. If those kids have an a strong outlet for being normal kids (bursting the bubble) which you will give them, your odds will be better.

Allow sleepovers, allow sports, allow band, student council, girl and boy scouts and you will see how powerful bursting that bubble is.

You dont even need to push anti jdub stuff, you just need to reason on what they are learning at the kh and allow them to live normal lives. My children are early teens and already show an aversion to the dub lifestyle simply because I allow them to do things normal kids can do and I only have them 50% of the time.

Break the bubble and let the cards fall where they may.

Good luck,

pbrow

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Apostate Websites Direct Weak Ones Back To Jehovah"

by pbrow in

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doing a little thinking here, not really sure how the logistics work though.. lets say the link jw.org is posted here "x" number of times and numerous people click on said link.

it is my understanding the dubs can see how many hits they get from other websites but can they actually tell what websites the link is coming from?

if so..... i can picture a sunday talk given in the future... "apostate websites direct weak ones back to jehovah".

pbrow

alcyone,

Thanks for the link... looks like they can! Awesome.... it looks like going to apostate websites can lead wayward sheep to the mother! ie... apostate sites are not that bad!

I cant wait for the talk!... although I will not hear it because I dont go anymore.

Hey crazyguy... they dont need help from me... they are doing pretty good without me. The people who fall for that propaganda are not who i am interested in.

pbrow

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Apostate Websites Direct Weak Ones Back To Jehovah"

by pbrow in

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doing a little thinking here, not really sure how the logistics work though.. lets say the link jw.org is posted here "x" number of times and numerous people click on said link.

it is my understanding the dubs can see how many hits they get from other websites but can they actually tell what websites the link is coming from?

if so..... i can picture a sunday talk given in the future... "apostate websites direct weak ones back to jehovah".

pbrow

Doing a little thinking here, not really sure how the logistics work though.

Lets say the link jw.org is posted here "x" number of times and numerous people click on said link. It is my understanding the dubs can see how many hits they get from other websites but can they actually tell what websites the link is coming from? If so....

I can picture a sunday talk given in the future... "Apostate Websites Direct Weak Ones Back To Jehovah"

In the outline it will tell of the large number of subjects checking out jw.org directly after the viewing apostate websites. The idea being spouted from the stage of people going on apostate websites and then jw.org will subliminally put the idea that apostate websites are not so bad... after all, people are going to jw.org after viewing apostate websites.

This will in turn get more people to view apostate websites!

Does this seem simplistic or could that actually work?

pbrow

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My 14-year-old niece is being disfellowshipped

by keyser soze in

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i was contacted by my ex sister-in-law yesterday.

she asked me if i wanted to spend some time with my niece, while she went to her sister's baby shower.

it turns out my niece can't go because she's about to be disfellowshipped at the ripe old age of 14. .

pbrow

I agree with nathan here. In the here and now her being shunned is tough. I think its great that you were asked to spend some time with her! The reality is she was raised as a dub. You have been given an opportunity!! Jump on that!

This is her life, accept it and move forward!

pbrow

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Fraud

by fulltimestudent in

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if someone commits financial fraud, they commit a crime, and can be punished (jailed).. but if someone commits a religious fraud, western society does not see that as a crime.. on another thread, a poster pointed out that the jws, "literally steals peoples lives and causes horrendous damage.

of course, the jws are not the only religion to practise religious fraud.

all sorts of large and small religions make unverifiable promises and ask for financial support on the basis of their promises, which is precisely what financial defrauder does.

pbrow

Fulltime,

Are all humans born with excellent reasoning abilities? My university study topic (this semester) has told me that humans are not good (naturally) at reasoning things out. So there's another opinion that is worth considering.

No definitely not but I would argue that they cannot be forced into getting excellent reasoning abilities. They have to be taught them and regretfully the fact is, if they are raised dubs they will not be taught reasoning abilities. Thats the stone cold reality that dubs, mormons and scientologist born ins are faced with.

In the congregations of JWs, that you my have associated with, were all the people in those congregations equal in thinking ability? I doubt that they were. My personal assessment is that in most of the congregations with which I was associated, more that 60% did not fully understand the reasons for their basic beliefs. More, why are most witnesses drawn from the lower socio-economic groups? These are the precise groups that may have lower reasoning abilities?

No they certainly are not. Here is where we seem to have the disagreement though. In a free society they have the right to be content in their ignorance. They do not want to fully understand, they are fully satisfied not having a basic understanding of their beliefs. I cant make them understand. You cant make them understand. That is where my mother, my brother and lifelong friends WANT to be. Personal freedom to them is not more important than belonging to their church. I am ok with that. I will never stop fighting it but when I go to sleep at night I can accept that they have made their bed and are sleeping in it also.

There have always been churches, most likely always will be, people want to give away their personal freedom. They want to follow. Yeah, your story is tough. I have thought long and hard about if I had not been raised a jdub maybe I would have joined and then forced my kids into the cult like my mother did to me. Thank Allah that didnt happen. I am human... I learned from my own experience and mistakes and am moving forward. At the end of the day, what other option do we have?

Excellent conversation

pbrow