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  Leaving the jws is a "lifestyle choice" according to a counsellor

  by purrpurr in

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  so i had my first appointment with a counsellor, of course i explained about being a born in jw, mentally leaving, the penalty of doing so and therefore the mental strain of pretending to be someone i'm not.

  her response was that she couldn't help me with that because leaving a cult was a "lifestyle choice".

  i tried to say to her that its a cult not a religion and how it brain washed me but no.

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  If you decide to leave then you decide to leave. If you decide to stay then you decide to stay. You most likely do not need assistance making that decision.

  You need help in making sense of your family ACTIVELY making the decision to sever contact. That is what the difficult part is for us born ins. You can say its not a lifestyle choice if you want but your choice of being a free person has nothing to do with their choice of shunning people that dont agree with them. They have made their decision and are being true to themselves. You can get help in trying to make sense of it all but make no mistake about this..... Your family and friends are cutting you off if you choose to leave, not you. YOU are not doing that. It seems like you already understand that they will cut you off but you dont want to accept it.

  Simply put, you have to come to terms with the consequences of either action and the very real stress that will come with either decision. Now you just have to deal with those consequences. Therapy, friends and this board are all good outlets to help you figure that out.

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  My Dad wants to study with me

  by BlackWolf in

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  so my parents continue to pester me about getting baptized.

  the other day my dad told me that i was old enough to make a decision, and was wondering why i wasn't ready (assembly is in a few weeks) so i told him calmly that i have many doubts and if i were to get baptized it has to be 100 percent my idea.

  he was a little annoyed by this, and now wants to study the "is there a creator that cares about you" book (which is complete bs) with me.

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  Blackwolf.... Can you take him??

  If not, prepare to get out. Live with your end goal in mind every day!

  If yes, then study and "lets get ready to ruuuummmmbllleeee!! " Of course you should also live your life every day with your end goal in mind to GTFO!

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  Leaving the jws is a "lifestyle choice" according to a counsellor

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i had my first appointment with a counsellor, of course i explained about being a born in jw, mentally leaving, the penalty of doing so and therefore the mental strain of pretending to be someone i'm not.

  her response was that she couldn't help me with that because leaving a cult was a "lifestyle choice".

  i tried to say to her that its a cult not a religion and how it brain washed me but no.

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  "I don't feel like leaving was a lifestyle choice, it was an awakening to a reality that had been hidden from me and now I'm having to sit on the fence of both worlds"

  I am failing to see the problem with her assessment that leaving is a lifestyle choice. What else is it? If the jw lifestyle is not for you then ... are you not making a lifestyle choice to get out and not live that life??

  Leaving the jw life is a lifestyle choice just like sitting on the fence in both worlds is a lifestyle choice. If you decide to sit on the fence you pay for that choice by having to suppress your personal freedom because of fear of what other people will do. If you choose to leave the religion, you are making the decision to no longer be afraid of what other people will do/say to/about you. There are consequences of either choice but make no mistake, it is a lifestyle choice.

  I am not really sure though why she/he would not be able to assist you with it. Being raised a born in has a very concrete affect on who you are as a person and how you deal with life. That is specifically what her job is meant to address.

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  What is freedom to you?

  by What is Truth? in

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  we always say free choice, the freedom to choose well the ability to choose is freedom and we claim freedom ourselves to the attention that we become aware of our decisions.

  well today this year i choose to never step foot in a kh again unless someone died or i have an axe and some gasoline!

  who's got a lighter for me?.

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  Bravo!

  I have an axe if you bring the lighter!

  pbrow
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  Fade Advice Please

  by Zeds Dead in

  1. jw
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  i got reinstated in the last month and had my record cards sent to a new congregation.

  i went to a few meetings until i heard the cards had been sent and now i am looking to do a complete fade, no longer go at all.

  the new congregation does not know me well and further away from where i live so i am hoping they will give up trying to make contact quickly.. any advice on do's and dont's and what to expect?.

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  Hide. Keep your window curtains drawn. If they come up to your house, go inside. Give them a last minute excuse that you cant make it. Dont ever put up christmas lights or halloween decorations. Cross to the other side of the street when you see them coming. Dont make eye contact at the grocery store.

  Basically live in fear and waste time in the only life that you are absolutely sure you have.

  That is not living. That is cowering. Get the fuck on with your life!!

  I say that as someone who tried to fade for a few months and finally realized what I was doing to myself. I wish someone had been this blunt with me.

  GTFO

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  help me think like an elder

  by Homer notsimpson in

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  ok guys, i have been tasked to ask for your opinions regarding this case.. and be honest.

  my brother sexted a girl a little over a year ago, they never dated, and she got mad at him.... she got engaged and the engagement ended in august.. she attempted suicide, then talked to the elders an told him she was gonna tell on him too, now that was in august, the sister told my brother that since she didn't know his hall they couldn't do anything.. we found that doesn't seem right, so hes been freaking out, but ita now two days away from 2017 and the elders haven't speaked to him yet.. why could that be?

  could they give him all this time to confess?

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  STOP SEXTING WITH JW GIRLS!!!

  There are literally thousands of women who have no problem with sexting and will not be bothered by exchanging sexting messages with him.

  Dont ever talk to or txt this girl again.

  Tell the elders to blow themselves, this can be done cordially or literally "go blow yourselves"

  Leave the cult.

  Go to college.

  Pursue his passions.

  Never look back

  It is not any more difficult than this. Do not let anyone tell you it is.

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  Williams sister got engaged to some guy from Reddit

  by wozza in

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  so is he a witness or if not what are gb going to do about it since she identifies with the watchtower society?.

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  What the fuck is the gb going to do about it? What is anyone else going to do about it? She is a grown ass woman who does what she wants to do, including associate herself with this church. If we had more people like her still associating instead of fading away the jw's would be a much more normal church.

  Get the fuck out, speak your voice. Swing by swing we can knock the teeth out of this cult. The more people that just up and leave, drink the wine and give a speech, refuse the judicial committess, refuse to be shunned and just outright and do what the fuck they want to... the more "normal" this church will become.

  Stop wondering why Serena can do this or prince can do that... who gives a shit! Being a witness taught to you "do nothing" and "wait on jehovah" Take your life back and start doing what you want to do! Live the only life we can absolutely be sure that we have!

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  Elders getting burnt up.

  by biblexaminer in

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  the elders in this area are getting burned out.

  i have overheard comments that demonstrate this, but in my dealings with them, i clearly see it.

  they can't keep it straight.

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  Welcome to the age of paid clergy...

  coming soon to a kingdom hall near you!!

  I might rejoin if that happens!

  Elder Pbrow has a nice ring to it

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  Hi forum

  by A Believer in

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  i proably shouldnt be on here but i feel like saying this.

  i have been for the last couple weeks been studying religion.

  i've learned the only ones who today do what the bible says to is jw.

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  I would not be surprised if believer has left this thread but hopefully not the site.

  Troll or not, intentional or not... When I was starting to question things 7 years ago, these are exactly the types of threads i pored over. I spent months looking for exactly these types of threads.

  It is completely obvious the exhausting amount of work that has been put into the thoughtful posts by our members here. Posts that are so easily dismissed or just outright ingnored. When questions are posed and just downright ignored, it made me realize that they just have no legs to stand on.

  post away believer... You are helping more than you could ever know

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  Fading or Disassociating

  by Saethydd in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello, i'm new here.. i'm a college student who has been raised in the "truth" for my entire life.

  i was baptized at 10 years old, and looking back now i know i didn't fully grasp everything involved, for one thing i don't even recall ever going to jehovah in a special prayer to dedicate myself to him, but anyway that's the past and my focus is really on the present.

  i'm currently pursuing an associates degree, but i find myself desiring to pursue a bachelors in my chosen field so that i may have a somewhat more secure future.

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  getting out while still young... priceless!

  Only you can determine what your next step is. Remember though that people will treat you poorly only if you allow them to. If you have people in your life that treat you poorly, cut them out of your life like the cancer they are.

  Whether you decide to make a clean break or fade you are in an envious position. I am sure you are nervous because of the unknown of depending completely on yourself. You can and will get to the other side of this decision. Personal freedom is worth every moment of anxiety and every drop of sweat that you will no doubt have to go through. Be true to yourself and keep searching!

  good luck,

  pbrow