Hey junkyard, I think its hillarious that us ex jdubs say.... "we kept it lite.. talking about 1914, 1799 and 1874"
What an odd perspective we have now that we are out!!!!
Nice work though by the way.
pbrow
i ran into 3 young sisters today.
and just talked to them about the fds 1914 and they didn't know any thing about 1799, 1874 etc.
i kept it lite and told these young lady's to look it up as i'm 30 years older than them.
Hey junkyard, I think its hillarious that us ex jdubs say.... "we kept it lite.. talking about 1914, 1799 and 1874"
What an odd perspective we have now that we are out!!!!
Nice work though by the way.
pbrow
as a young teenager, i would look at "apostate" books at the city library.
i was always intrigued as to what was sooo bad and other than a few writings of some that seemed like they hated the witnesses, i would clandestinely look at literature, especially in "christian" bookstores.. it took years for me to finally disconnect.
i will say that ray franz' books enlightened me the most!.
I had been df'd for smoking a cigar w/ my grandpa. After I crawled back to the group that was "closest to the truth", I started to wake up. I remember I googled jw and found this website. I was very nervous even though I was at work. I kept reading about some guy Franz and seeing "CoC" and had no idea what that meant. As I finally figured it out and then ordered it online and got it delivered to my house, little did I realize what a difference that book would make in my life. I think I read CoC in three days and In Search of Christian Freedom in about 7 or 8 days. No animosity, no hatred, Mr Franz just laid out his honest, humble take on what his experience was. Mr Franz kicked me in the teeth with his courage and kindness. I specifically remember the night of my paradigm shift. It was an awesome experience for me.
I know that Mr Franz would play it down but I cannot put into words what I feel that I owe him. Not just for me but for the freedom of my two daughters.
Thank you Ray.
My family will never forget you.
pbrow
este.... i just read one of your other posts....... you ARE serious.
There has never been a greater more promising time in the history of mankind than our time now. You want to spend this time hoping for the destruction of helpless newborns, 2 year olds, 3rd graders, middle schoolers and bright young high school graduates? You must believe in the god of the bible who slaughtered thousands of innocent children and gave up innocent young girls to be raped. Im of the opinion "douche" isnt a strong enough word for you.
pbrow
Este.... are you just effing with us? You cannot possibly think the world is going to end!!??!!... well besides when the sun actually dies sometime within the next 5 million years. Do you really think the world is going to end? God I hope you dont have kids.
pbrow
when a jw from your area dies, do you attend the visitation or funeral ?.
since i have da'ed myself, several people that i have known for years have died, and i have attended both the visitation, and or funeral.. but everytime, i have been treated like i don't even exist.
just trying to follow normal human emotions, by attending and showing my feelings to the surviving family has been alot like running into a brick wall.
I have only been to one funeral (my very "in" grandfather) since I resigned from the group. I couldnt say one way or the other how people looked at me because I didnt pay attention. (I think its a gift... my wife thinks im oblivious) Everyone that I went up to and engaged talked to me and expressed how sorry they were. A few did tell me they missed me and hoped I would be "back" soon.
My advice is to not go as a df or da'd person. Go and act like a normal person and you will be suprised how many will treat you normal if you dont "act" like your the odd man out. Give them the permission to treat you normal.
pbrow
i have forgotten, can someone tell me if the (reject jesus) memorial falls on a regular meeting night do they make up the tues meeting another night next week?.
My kid just asked me the same question yesterday!
From what I remember when I was younger the precious meeting is just lost..... forever!
Maybe there is a god??
pbrow
why do jws celebrate jesus dying rather than his resurrection?
i was talking to my boyfriend about this last week, and he said, "it's way more important that he died.
" i kind of thought the whole coming back to life thing was a bigger deal, but whatevs.. .
hey lars... so which one is it? Should true and elect ones have stopped in 1992 or 1914 ?
pbrow
is the information on this webpage* regarding the socioeconomic conditions of jws a fair connection to the all too familiar wts quote of 1969?
does the report's statistics appear to be plausible given your personal observations?
*even though many others have copied and pasted the article (including the individual who created the page hyperlinked above), i'm apprehensive about doing so for copyright reasons.
hey tater...
You cant be the man you are today w/out going through what you had to go through yesterday.
Gongratulations!!
pbrow
so as someone newly awakened, my thoughts have turned to "why didn't i see this sooner?
how could i be so blind?
" part of it is that i never realized anyone may have left due to differences with the doctrine.
Its a tough decision to make and I cant fault anyone for staying in for a certain amount of time. I look at family like my mother and think, if you just turned in your da letter other people would take notice.... and I really they would. Tricky situation for sure.
Good luck,
pbrow
hey roberta... excellent way of explaining it. The "glow" of the personal integrity is blinding! Either people see it and are helped by it or they are repulsed and stay away.
I love seeing people who have young children post on here with questions. Even if they are torn at the moment it is a huge step in the right direction for the freedom of their children!
pbrow