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  Doing the Right Thing, Making a Choice (shunning)

  by Simon in

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  continuing a topic that is dear to my heart because of my experience as both a shunner and a shunnee .... some people seem to get very agitated when i talk about the responsibility people have to make the right choices and that despite all the wrongs within the wts, people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.. notice i said "some" responsibility, not "complete" - this doesn't absolve the wts for the things they do wrong in any way shape or form.

  so please don't get argumentative about possible meanings and absolutes - of course the wts has a significant role to play but we need to decide what we're trying to achieve here and why the personal choice is so important.. i'm also not talking about actual crimes that the wts should answer for.

  if they cover up child abuse for instance, they absolutely should be reported immediately.

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  Cognac,

  If you are da'd or df'd and allow the shunning you are still part of the system. The people of this church count on you to play the victim so that they feel better about the choice that they have made. We cannot help them feel better. This issue is not 1914, or the UN or something that really does not have an impact on their daily lives. Shunning their family is a major life changing incident. If there is any major issue that can help wake them up, shunning close family or friends is that issue! Make them feel uncomfortable about it, challenge them on it, ask them why THEY individually shun you! We cant make them wake up but if you really want to help them wake up, THIS IS THE ISSUE to do it with.

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  Doing the Right Thing, Making a Choice (shunning)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  continuing a topic that is dear to my heart because of my experience as both a shunner and a shunnee .... some people seem to get very agitated when i talk about the responsibility people have to make the right choices and that despite all the wrongs within the wts, people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.. notice i said "some" responsibility, not "complete" - this doesn't absolve the wts for the things they do wrong in any way shape or form.

  so please don't get argumentative about possible meanings and absolutes - of course the wts has a significant role to play but we need to decide what we're trying to achieve here and why the personal choice is so important.. i'm also not talking about actual crimes that the wts should answer for.

  if they cover up child abuse for instance, they absolutely should be reported immediately.

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  It is absolutely the responsibility of the indivdual. With that responsibility comes consequences. I like your take Simon that helping them to understand that they do have a choice and are making the inhumane choice to shun others is on them. Like corporations, religions are people. Until those people understand (by showing and demonstrating to them) that they are making the choice (whether they know it or not) to do something so uncaring, so unloving to their fellow human beings, they will think that they are doing right by god. We have the ability (not the responsibility) to help them understand what they are doing

  My situation allows me to not partake in the shunning. I show up to family dinners, I work on my mother's house and stop in for coffee. I do not allow them to shun me. Nothing short of a restraining order or police forcibly removing me from the houses/families I grew up in/with will stop me from negating the will of my family to shun me.

  I agree, show them they have the choice. Be relentless about it.

  Good luck,

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  Is Lying a Disfellowshipping offence?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  so, if lying or being deliberately misleading is a "disfellowshipping" offence, why haven't the brothers who lied to the australian royal commission been brought before a judicial committee?

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  freeatlast1914.... Stop LYING!!!! Its called Theocratic Warfare.

  I have existentially df'd you from the congregation. Gongrats!!

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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

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  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

  wow.

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  hey freddo.... Oh there is pleasing him..... oh yes indeed. That is for a private sheparding call.... at a hotel on the outskirts of town

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  Questions for JW lurkers

  by punkofnice in

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  which parts of the publications are the innacurate words of 'just imperfect men', and which parts are the inerrant words from the mouthpiece of jehovah on earth?.

  how can you trust that you are being given correct information?

  the governing body.

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  p.27: "Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?" "The slave thus deserves our complete trust"

  This is uneffingbelievable. How could I have been so stupid??

  Good Allah, I hate those fuckers.

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  Crazy online statistics and the good news of the kingdom

  by Crazyguy in

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  i post here a lot but online on other sites not much at all.

  i have posted over the last two years or so comments on youtube.

  usually a comment or a question concerning something i watched.

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  Good, bad, wacky or tactful....... Every method helps, some are not as effecient as others but adult learners learn differently. We cannot make someone leave but we all can help by posting/commenting our thoughts and experiences about our enemy, the watchtower bible & tract society. When our relatives/friends are ready to free themselves they will have no small tool to assist them.

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  Just curious

  by Gorbatchov in

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  i remember that every time when my father and i came home from the meeting, my mother (who stayed at home for my disabled brother) asked us "who was attending and who wasn't attending".. and then, we took some time to drink coffee and went through the list who was there and who wasn't.

  there after there was an opinion made why someone was absent and what this meant in relation with his strength of believe.. just curious, do you recognize this?

  gorby.

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  no... and that is completely fucked up

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  Hours will be going up

  by pbrow in

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  just got done watching parts of the october episode at jdub.broadcasting and it looks like the definition of "sacred service" is getting an update.

  construction work, helping out fellow dubs, even helping out non-beliebers and opposers will soon be adding up to record progress for publishers... gett ready for a huge increase in hours being reported.... can you hear it now??

  my how jw.org provides.... pbrow.

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  Just got done watching parts of the October episode at jdub.broadcasting and it looks like the definition of "sacred service" is getting an update. Construction work, helping out fellow dubs, even helping out non-beliebers and opposers will soon be adding up to record progress for publishers... Gett ready for a HUGE increase in hours being reported.... Can you hear it now?? My how JW.ORG provides...

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  Family fun

  by redvip2000 in

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  went to over to family gathering at a cousin's home in upstate ny over the weekend.

  in the late afternoon, several bet-hell constructions workers arrived (some family, others just friends), after a nice day of slavery at the construction site.

  endless bragging ensued while we gathered around a bonfire, from how "the construction is going forward in seamless way", using "the best techniques and materials in construction" to the fact that the obama care website doesn't work properly and how it's "complete garbage when compared to the jw.org.".

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  New order... Are you saying Obama invented the interwebs??!!

  Al Gore says "you got some splaining to do!"

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  STAY ALIVE 'TIL 2132! -- Generation (X′+X″) <= (1914+λ[A′]-α[A′]+λ[A″]-α[A″]-x) <= 2132

  by Gilgamesh in

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  generation x+x=generation why?

  already bringing "great tribulation" on watchtower readers.

  the watch tower society has got some splane-ing to do.

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  ummmm... you have a million dollar idea here gilgamesh.... Dont just give that away! You could start a movement that inspires millions because of your obvious higher brain power and close personal connections to god. I can hear it now...

  Were Gilgamesh Witnesses.. we speak out in fearlesness!! Ours is the God of true prohecyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy... What he fortells comes to be.... in 2072

  pbrow