i speak semi-regularly to an old friend of mine who i would describe as a super-dub.. he knows i am inactive but over the years i have peppered him with a lot of questions about the org.
that i hoped would make him at least pause and think somewhat rationally about the reality of being a jw in this brave new- post gb 2.0 world.. we have discussed everything from the generation changes, to the u.n. , failed prophecy, flip flops, the reduction in size of the wt magazine, the closing/ consolidation of bethels including lay-offs, jw broadcasting, cart witnessing- etc, etc.. what do i mean by super-dub?
he is a born-in, has missionary parents, he reg.
Maybe thats how you start the conversation then...
Why do you worship the gb and do whatever they say? Then when they give you the answer about how they do not follow or worship the gb, go into all the other things you talk about.
Make them disprove your initial question in whatever way they choose and then go into all the issue that prove they are full of contradictions.
At the end of the day, they will not tear down the wall until they want to but until then... every. brick. helps.
pbrow
first they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
Sandy Hook was 20 kids.
If there are any hotels that would be at the forefront of hotel security it would be vegas.
What a fucking asshole this guy was.
pbrow
well, this month's jw broadcasting had a curious piece of history class.
samuel herd was there, but i don't remember if it was him that presented it.
the theme was "how it was to be a jw in the years 1900.".
and that is how you destroy the mental freedom of numerous generations. Strike at the widower right when he is at his lowest.... and bingo... you have multiple generations of stunted minds.
Maybe i missed it.... did the little girl ever get to see her mommy again?
pbrow
so i'm pretty sure my fade is complete.
haven't stepped foot inside a kh in 9 years.
but the concept of fading still makes me wonder.
Since I have formally and informally left this church I have not sinned once.
Now that I think of it... even when I was in I never sinned.
pbrow
so i am driving with my oldest the other day and she says..... i was reading the watchtower at the meeting and thought.... "the watchtower and awake are just like... what is that stuff that countries put out when they are at war?...
propaganda... yeah, they only give you one side of something and you have to listen to them because they are chosen".
i praised allah right then and there!!!
so i am driving with my oldest the other day and she says..... i was reading the watchtower at the meeting and thought.... "the watchtower and awake are just like... what is that stuff that countries put out when they are at war?...
propaganda... yeah, they only give you one side of something and you have to listen to them because they are chosen".
i praised allah right then and there!!!
So I am driving with my oldest the other day and she says....
I was reading the watchtower at the meeting and thought.... "the watchtower and awake are just like... what is that stuff that countries put out when they are at war?... propaganda... Yeah, they only give you one side of something and you have to listen to them because they are chosen"
I praised allah right then and there!!!
My oldest is truly out. She may have to go to meetings with her mother but mentally she is done with this church. I wish I had the smarts and the stones that this girl has at 15 years old!
pbrow
my 3yo daughter lives with me 4 days and with her mum 3 days.
i have her tues, wed, fri evening and saturday all day.
which means my ex takes her to sunday and thursday meetings but she doesn't go door knocking on saturday because she's with me.. i dont mind - at the moment - because in a way i want her to know the jw jargon so we can talk about it without having to explain what it is, and i want her to compare the bullshit to the real world.
Hey pale... sounds like even though you are still going thru it.... you are getting through to your girl. That is good to hear.
You have her majority of time?? that is awesome! Peer pressure only works with the dubs if they have monopoly on the kids time and friends. While a clean break with this group is best, it is not always an option as in your case. Keep up the good work of talking to and exposing her to worldly kids and activities. I like tiki's take on it. Go about your life and when jdub stuff comes up, pick your daughter's brain as to what you think and then offer up your life experiences. That is a pattern I have followed with my 13 and 15 year old kids and it has worked excellent!
pbrow
i still believe in freedom of religion even if i disagree with the beliefsof the religion.
what about you?.
on the way out...
you support any government's banning ideas because the people who hold those ideas suppress independent thinking.
Ironic
pbrow
i still believe in freedom of religion even if i disagree with the beliefsof the religion.
what about you?.
Hey mag... not sure if its a strawman...
Just my take on the questions. No ban. Take away tax exempt status but you cant ban ideologies. Generally I agree with the freedom that is granted to individuals in the US as regards to religion or being able to think and say things that are fucked up.
where does one start :.
he is guilty of genocide for the attempted and succesful ,killing off other nations not leaving man woman or child alive.. he is guilty of barbarism against women for not living up to his rules or regulations such as cutting off a womans hand for defending her husband in a brawl with another man.. he is guilty of condemning the whole human race for the misdemeanor of the first human pair for eating a fruit he said not to eat ?
a bit over the top dont you think ?.
I thought I came up with " jdub" before I got on this site.
There are only so many words and phrases in the english language. We are bound to come up with similar terms even though we never conversed.
pbrow
