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  "All generalizations are false, including this one."

  by Mr. Falcon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the above mark twain quote made me think about some of the comments i heard this weekend during the watchtower study.

  several commentors alluded to the seeming ignorance of "wordly" people as regards bible knowledge.

  comments such as "people who go to churches don't know the bible like we do, so they may go to church and afterwards say that was a very good sermon.

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  DagothUr

  Now that you put it that way, I think I do remember something like that from one of the CO's speeches, some 3 years ago. But it was not about concrete and dead mafiosi, it was about plum-compote. You don't fill the jar with the boiled water, then try to squeeze the plums inside. You place the plums and allow the water to fill only the gaps. In Romania we have tradition in all sorts of fruit-compotes, so I guess he adapted the illustration to the local context.
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  The Danger of Credulous Research of Jehovah's Witnesses on the Internet

  by Spade in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.watchtower21.org/2011/02/danger-of-naive-and-credulous-research.html.

  it's been my experience so far, that anything a person wants to find out about jehovahs witnesses, they can find out from jehovahs witnesses.

  any and all information ever published by jehovah witnesses is accessible to all.

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  DagothUr

  Privates Larsinger and OBVES, where are you when we need you?! Come and give them some suppressive fire and 1 or 2 smoke canisters!
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  I was shunned

  by cantleave in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in the fareham shopping centre.. a "sister" saw me.

  pretended not to see me, dropped her her head and moved very quickly in the opposite direction.. i love being a dangerous apostate!!

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  DagothUr

  You have just been baptized. You are now an Apostate. Praise Jay Hoover! Amen.
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  What sort of person is GB member Guy Pierce?

  by VM44 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone know anything about the gb member guy pierce?.

  what is his background?.

  what sort of personality does he have?.

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  DagothUr

  That's what I'm trying to understand: is the WTS some sort of wyvern that owns the GB members like it owns it's assets? Or the GB members own the wyvern? And if the latter is correct, who are the shareholders? Who has the 51% needed to move the pawns on the board? Is the WTS a corporation with 7 million shareholders? Definetly not. When I left no one asked to buy me out of my share. Because I don't have a share. Some of the GB members have children. That guy who visited Bucharest in 2008 or 2009 (i don't remember exactly) mentioned that he had children. I think it was Pierce or Morris. The WTS is a large corporation which owns smaller corporations, which in turn own even smaller corporations. When the "godfather" will die, we will see the WTS split between the conflicting interests, maybe?
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  Is There Salvation Outside of The New Covenant?

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is there salvation outside of the new covenant?.

  there are a number of ways that the terms of the new covenant can be violated (and thus nullified) on the part of the recipient like:.

  1. attributing salvation to someone or something other than jesus.

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  DagothUr

  WTF is "salvation" and who needs it? Salvation from what?
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  "All generalizations are false, including this one."

  by Mr. Falcon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the above mark twain quote made me think about some of the comments i heard this weekend during the watchtower study.

  several commentors alluded to the seeming ignorance of "wordly" people as regards bible knowledge.

  comments such as "people who go to churches don't know the bible like we do, so they may go to church and afterwards say that was a very good sermon.

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  DagothUr

  I have never seen the illustration with the jar. Is it something done only in the Western countries?
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  Is it acceptable for JWs to put flowers on a loved one's grave?

  by serenitynow! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i want to go and put some flowers on my grandma's grave.

  she died 9 years ago feb 19. i haven't been out there since the funeral.

  i can't remember where the cemetary is, and i will have to ask my jw relatives (who don't know my status) where she is buried.

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  DagothUr

  In Romania, tending to the cleanliness of the burial graves falls into the responsability of the living relatives of the deceased, if there are any. They also have to pay a small tax for each 6 years they want to keep the grave. After 7 years from a burial, the same grave can be used to bury another person. The aforementioned obligations are enforced by law. The Romanian JW know it's their lawful obligation to tend to the graves of the deceased relatives, so here it's normal to bring flowers and to plant flowers on the graves. The difference is that the JWs do not light candles on the graves and do not tend the graves during the Day of the Dead.
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  What sort of person is GB member Guy Pierce?

  by VM44 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone know anything about the gb member guy pierce?.

  what is his background?.

  what sort of personality does he have?.

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  DagothUr

  I don't bite that lure. The GB members are the top of the JW leadership. They SURELY KNOW about the WTS money, about the falseness of the Scriptures, about the falseness of the WTS teachings. They know, like the Pope knows, that everything is a lie. But they don't speak because they are the ones who have everything to gain and everything to lose. The answer is beyond this question: Who are the sons and daughters of the GB members and what are their ocupations and fortunes? And then the crap will hit the fan like never before.

  That's what I would do if I had a stream of money flowing from the WTS secret accounts into mine. I'd put everything on the names of my offspring and my wife and I could pretend we are poor like Jesus. I'd also invent a front family-company...window-washing, car-rentals, insurance franchise, etc...to justify the family wellfare. If someone asks "Why do you have 10 million bucks in a Swiss-account?", I'd say "Well, my sons own a small family-business: they washed a lot of windows in the past years".
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  If Armageddon came tomorrow, would Jehovah kill a billion children?

  by just n from bethel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just looked up some population statistics.

  i saw there are over a billion children under the age of 10 on the earth today.

  (didn't research too hard - just googled it.

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  DagothUr

  There will be no godly Armaggeddon. Man-made, maybe. And if that comes, no JW is safer than any other man.
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  Is it normal to quote without naming the source like WT does?

  by InterestedOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am noticing here and there that the wt literature will say things like "one bible dictionary says ..." or "one scholar says ..." and then proceed with a quotation.

  my immediate reaction is to ask myself why they didn't provide the specific source of the quote - author, publication, page #, etc.

  so i am wondering, do other magazines do this?

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  DagothUr

  I remeber they used to quote from time to time from Hobbe's "Leviathan". I remember one quote was in the red Apocalypse book and another was in one of the study Watchtowers, the one that had a picture of Isaac Newton in it. They never mentioned the name of the author, nor the work. They just said "a famous thinker". Their last brochures on creation and the book about the Creation vs. Evolution are monuments of ignorance and misquotation. It's a new trend in the JW literature, I think. Their purpose: to boldly go dumber and dumber, where no one has gone before!