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  dos it really matter if someone drinks the wine and eats the crackers??!

  by highdose in

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  a big part of every memorial i ever went to was given to drumming it home that unless you were anoited you couldn't partake.

  and everyone would be watching the "strangers" as their turn came, ripples of horror would go round the congregation if they dared to nibble or sip(!).

  ... but seriously what is the problem?

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  clearpoison

  I can't refer it to anywhere in Bible, most probably there is no such relation. But as I understood the severity of this issue in JW context was based on the idea that partaking is lead by the understanding of partakers position given by the holy spirit. Any other person touching those emblems would be in risk of offending the holy spirit as this understanding of their anointed status was not given. The bad and dangerous thing here was actually the fact that as holy spirit is not a person, it cannot forgive you in any possible manner, thus potentially subjecting any unworthy partaker to already been irrevocably judged.

  This is more or less the lesson I was given.

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  How many received the memorial invitation?

  by IMHO in

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  how well is this territory being covered?.

  how many on here (active jws excluded) received an invitation?.

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  None personally, but my family have been "blessed" with at least four different visits around this theme in last two days by different persons in congo, talk about coordination. I was able to hear what happened in two latest visits, these friends were not let in so they stood by the door. They talked mostly about weather and wind, just slipping as good-bye "see you tomorrow in memorial" kind of thing. This must be funny coinsidence as during last half year there have been 3-4 contacts in overall with some sort of encouragement to my family and now suddenly in two days the very same amount.

  I guess my family is heading to memorial, I can't.

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  Would You Care If You Were Disfellowshipped?

  by minimus in

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  would it have any impact on you?.

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  clearpoison

  Not for me personally, but I assume that it would make my family's life at least slightly more complicated.

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  Memorial PT Outline reflecting new songbook ....(pdf available)

  by yknot in

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  clearpoison

  Thanks,

  Funny though, this is new outline, but I just get weird feeling that I've heard it already, over and over again. Let's see for how many years...., no too revealing.

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  Who many anointed were there in 1992 ?

  by the max in

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  hi everyone, according to some dubs, the year on year increases the annointed is attributal to annointed ones in countrys previously not able to register, for example in former ussr,since the iron curtain came down in circa 1990, i would like to have information regarding the numbers from around this time and onwards, and if you have any comments on these assertions from the dubs, i would appreciate them, regards .

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  Obviously it took 16 years for anointed in Warsaw pact to wake up and realise their true status.

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  If You Could Choose The Manner Of Your Death...What Would It Be?

  by Was New Boy in

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  most people really don't want to think about it....but if you could choose, how would like to leave the planet?.

  going out with a bang could be fun..... dying as a martyr?.

  dying as a hero saving someone?.

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  While sleeping, thank you

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  How Many JWs Have You known Who Have Commited Suicide?

  by Was New Boy in

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  james olsen and richaed wheellock both bethelites.. rich templet.

  rich and james out of guilt, richard out of depression.. james and rich were both under 30 years old.. after richard wheelock (a bethel heavy) killed himself the society changed it's stand on whether suicides could be resurrectioned or not..

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  clearpoison

  One

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  Got my first tattoo since DA'ing

  by WhatWasIThinking in

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  on the inside of my arm.

  first one in probably 7+ years.

  i forgot what it felt like and how sensitive the armpit is..

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  What was you thinking?

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  JW superstitions about the memorial -

  by james_woods in

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  now that we are all thinking about jw memorial - i was just remembering all the silly superstitions the jws have put around this - their only holiday.

  as far as i can tell, none of these are actually biblical:.

  1) - it must be held only once per year.. 2) - it must be held on "nisan 14".. 3) - it must be held after sundown.. 4) - the bread must be unleavened.. 5) - the wine must be plain (not fortified) red wine.

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  We didn't had the mandatory touching part, for short rows plate/glass servant could just reach with plate in front of attendants and they could then nod to show that they have been given the possibility. same for the last cart row and even with the speaker/servant up and down ceremony. The plate and glass was just put in front of you and the correct reaction was not to touch it but nod in kind of an acceptance/recognition.

  So there is local variation obviously here.

  One interesting detail, the wine used here in most of the memorial locations is the very same wine our main church is using for their communions. It is clearly stated in speech that the wine is commercially produced.

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  suicide and wts funeral rules

  by diamondiiz in

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  i just found out that a husband of an old friend committed a suicide and i was wondering if there are any letters to elders or any wts rules concerning funerals for those who committed suicide.

  i've looked in the elders book and letters to boe index and didn't find anything.

  some posts here say they can have the funeral at the kh and some here said they couldn't hold it there because suicide was involved.

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  I remember one case from my childhood, the attitude towards suicide was harder then that it seems to be today. It was mother to one mentally instabile child that took her own life. The child was already at that time taken in custody by authority and was placed in one children's home. She was not allowed to see her child. That was the last straw that broke camel's back obviously. She and the child were always looked down in congregation, the child behaved weirdly yes and was little rough, but was very amicable and tried hard to be allowed to play with us other "normal" kids. It was not really encouraged though.

  I remember still the things people were talking, she had rejected the truth by killing her self, what a pitty that her child would not be able to see her in paradise as she did what she did. It was quite clear that common understanding about her was that she maid unforgivable sin and would not be resurrected. There was nothing else in KH as the announcement that she had passed away, funeral was arranged in the graveyard chapel.

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