Question out of the blue:
Sab & Outlaw, how long where you guys witnesses?
I'm just really curious...
ele_lux
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JWs doctrine is a comprehensive falsehood
by sabastious ini have been reading through djeggnog's posts.
this man is a wt doctrine expert, it's scary.. i think him, and a lot of wt junkies i know believe in this wacky theology so much because they have literally tomes of analysis on it.
every argument we have every come up with (and some we have not) seem to have been discovered by the wt leaders and incorporated into their immense theology.. the problem is, that it is littered with fallacious logic and outright falsehood.. but the devout members (like djeggnog) stand by the whole because they are so proud of the comprehensive theology they have created.
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What is the meaning of true spirituality?
by ele_lux ini was trying to figure out the answer to this question when i came across my notes of a talk by the do in the 09 circuit convention.
he said the world defined "spirituality" however it would suit them; according to their own religion.
he gave example definitions of spirituality (being in touch with nature, spiritism, going to church and reading the bible, etc.
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ele_lux
Marcfromcali, I guess that makes sense. It's funny how easy it is for me to stop believeing in God because I just don't see that almighty loving person anywhere, but I'm still cautious regarding demons since THEY seem to make sense... it must be more of an subconscious fear I need to work out.
Ding, I appreciate you commenting on the matter, but I don't believe in God anymore, or at least I find him very unlikely. And I think even atheists and agnostics can be spiritual people.
WTWizard, that's a really interesting way to see things... I guess the problem with a lot of witnesses, especially those who were born in a JW family is that they are made to believe that their life purpose is to preach and read the Watchtower. Most likely that D.O. felt like that was his purpose in life. Thing is, they go trying to convince everyone that is THEIR life purpose too!
It just came to my mind a stupid thing I said to a Bible student a while ago. He said he didn't think preaching a lot was his thing. And I said it was EVERYONE'S thing. And I swore that the moment he tried regular pioneering, he would realize there was nothing more spiritually fulfilling than that.
Most ironically, I was not enjoying my own service that much, but I still believed it was my fault and everyone else must be enjoying it because the WT says you will and how can they be lying?
Now that I know they were... I guess I'm off to find that which genuinely fulfills my spiritual need :)
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Even God can't escape the Matrix
by gubberningbody inthe only thing god can know for certain, is what we know for certain:.
we think, so we know we exist.. .
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ele_lux
"How can you know what an eternal, omniscient being knows?"
You read the Bible. (sarcasm)
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New here
by ariker ini just wanted to stop in and say hello.
i've been out of the borg for a long time.
always looking forward to new topics and ideas.
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ele_lux
Welcome welcome :) What's your life like since you left?
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Son asked today
by crazy2try inneither of them ever asked to go.
he then asked about my family.
he asked if that was because my mom is no longer a jw.
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ele_lux
That's so great crazy2try!
I don't have any children, but one of things that was still making me question whether I should leave the organization or not was the knowledge that I was a good person because of the principles i learned as a JW. Thinking that maybe someday I would have to raise children without ever mentioning Jehovah or what he expects from them was really scary... But I see it's not the only way. And there might actually be better motivations to be good than the fear of Jehovah killing you in Armageddon...
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ele_lux
How come as Witnesses reading the Bible every day we don't realize this?!?! And how can people quit the WT and find out all of this and STILL believe in the Bible? The God of the Bible really is confusing.....
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Faith in God and the fear of death
by Nickolas inin his book die zukunft einer illusion (the future of an illusion), sigmund freud described belief in god as a collective neurosis.
he wrote that the religious impulse is essentially ineradicable until or unless the human species can conquer its fear of death and its tendency toward wish-thinking.. freud was a smart guy but he postulated a great deal on some things, fear of death in particular.
he was a committed atheist but did see the benefit of belief in god for the jewish people, of which he was a member.. but did he get it right?
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ele_lux
I've never been consciously afraid to die, then again i've thought if suicide plenty and never had the guts... At this point, I'm pretty sure god is a fantasy, and since i'm only 22 and childless i guess it makes sense for me to be happy to live a life in a world where god does not exist. But i AM afraid that as i grow older and especially grow into old age, i might be so afraid to die that i might start believing in Jehovah again. All the more so if after leaving the organization I finally manage to have a decent or even enjoyable life! So contradictory....
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ele_lux
"I just hate Xmas!"
Why?
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What is the meaning of true spirituality?
by ele_lux ini was trying to figure out the answer to this question when i came across my notes of a talk by the do in the 09 circuit convention.
he said the world defined "spirituality" however it would suit them; according to their own religion.
he gave example definitions of spirituality (being in touch with nature, spiritism, going to church and reading the bible, etc.
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ele_lux
JW's believe meditation makes you vulnerable to demonic possession right? And if i were a believing witness and attended a meditation session where someone started acting strange, i would find confirmation to that belief, right? So how can someone know whether it's a demon or just supressed pain surfacing?
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What is the meaning of true spirituality?
by ele_lux ini was trying to figure out the answer to this question when i came across my notes of a talk by the do in the 09 circuit convention.
he said the world defined "spirituality" however it would suit them; according to their own religion.
he gave example definitions of spirituality (being in touch with nature, spiritism, going to church and reading the bible, etc.
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ele_lux
Satanus- what do you mean by "spiritual practice"?