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  Just wanted to say hello

  by WhatWasIThinking in

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  between all that and studying for meetings and taking care of the house i had little free time.

  i show up at the hall at 6:00 am on the day before christmas and no one is there.

  she knows i'm da'd and doesn't care.

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  Nobleheart

  Welcome here WWIT.

  Good for you for waking up so quickly!

  Those 4 people you still have contact with must be having their own doubts. Maybe one day they'll be here..
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  I ended up in the back room of the KH today

  by Nobleheart in

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  our public talk and wt study is on saturdays.

  i was informed by an elder that i shouldn't leave right away after the meeting.. immediately i had a sinking feeling in my stomach.

  but not as bad as i would have felt about it months ago.

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  Nobleheart

  @ Murray Smith

  Yes, I won't fail to mention that I still love God and Christ (not a rebellion against them) and the people at the hall. It will be their choice to shun me.
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  I ended up in the back room of the KH today

  by Nobleheart in

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  our public talk and wt study is on saturdays.

  i was informed by an elder that i shouldn't leave right away after the meeting.. immediately i had a sinking feeling in my stomach.

  but not as bad as i would have felt about it months ago.

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  Nobleheart

  @ Murray Smith

  lol. Thanks for your suggestions. although it's not exactly feasible. People know I study and work so I can't feign an illness. I'd have to do a lot of explaining. Which would ultimately make me reveal everything. Our cong. is truly hardcore and people have good aposta-radars.
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  I ended up in the back room of the KH today

  by Nobleheart in

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  our public talk and wt study is on saturdays.

  i was informed by an elder that i shouldn't leave right away after the meeting.. immediately i had a sinking feeling in my stomach.

  but not as bad as i would have felt about it months ago.

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  Nobleheart

  @ jam - That's too hard for me as I will again refuse to go in service. I'll have to hear the announcement that i'm no longer a pioneer.

  @nugget - Stepping away isn't so easy for a reg. pioneer here. Anything is better than having to endure shepherding calls, endless calls from inquiring JWs, announcement at the hall, ensuing gossip and prejudice. It'd be too emotionally draining. A DA letter is in a sense like the guillotine - a fast and clean cut.
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  I ended up in the back room of the KH today

  by Nobleheart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  our public talk and wt study is on saturdays.

  i was informed by an elder that i shouldn't leave right away after the meeting.. immediately i had a sinking feeling in my stomach.

  but not as bad as i would have felt about it months ago.

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  Nobleheart

  Thanks Snoozy!

  I've done my research and I'm completely out mentally. I've simply kept up the routine for the sake of family.

  The elder actually asked me to stay after the meeting in a "firm but loving way".

  It was actually funny after the elder meeting both elders were turning around looking for me, while I was staying right there. They probably thought I'd have left...wonder what would happen i'd done that.
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  I ended up in the back room of the KH today

  by Nobleheart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  our public talk and wt study is on saturdays.

  i was informed by an elder that i shouldn't leave right away after the meeting.. immediately i had a sinking feeling in my stomach.

  but not as bad as i would have felt about it months ago.

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  Nobleheart

  Our public talk and WT study is on Saturdays. I was informed by an elder that I shouldn't leave right away after the meeting.

  Immediately I had a sinking feeling in my stomach. But not as bad as I would have felt about it months ago.

  So the meeting was over. I had to wait for an elder meeting to conclude. Then this elder comes out, takes another one (elder, PO) and they lead me to the back room.

  Our KH back room is quite small. Maybe 7 by 7 feet (no kidding). It was really claustrophobic, with the 2 guys facing me.

  They started off by simply asking me where I was. To which I replied "I'm right here."

  The whole issue was me never being seen in service meetings. They mentioned this could raise doubts?, as I'm nominally still a reg. pioneer. It has been my small way of getting back at the Society for misleading me all these years. So yeah, I've cheated big time on the service reports since I realized the Watchtower is a fraud. I simply can't bring myself to go out, spreading lies.

  They suggested how I could improve my attendance at these meetings, I shouldn't isolate myself but work together with the cong. And they asked a number of times if everything was okay, if there was any problem.

  I said everything was okay :-( and I'm not proud of that.

  After a brief prayer, I left right away. But now I really feel like I should have told them I no longer believe JW are God's organization. I intend to DA, but I've kept up appearances simply on the hope that family members wake up. I now realize some might always choose to believe the WT is right no matter what evidence I provide them with.

  It's funny how some things that JW elders or others think as encouraging or refreshing (like back room interrogations or shepherding calls) tend to simply drive me further away. I know I don't want to subject myself to any further interrogations like that.

  I'm grateful to this forum for everything I've learned and the opportunity to express my frustration.

  Thanks everyone!
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  JW facebook page

  by KristiKay in

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  Nobleheart

  KristiKay I'm so happy you took that step and quit the 'study'.
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  using the name "jehovah"

  by finallyfree! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i find it to be frankly disrespectful.

  im a father, if my kids were to call me by my first name id find that wierd.

  we address judges with "your honor" and various other titles, so why on earth would we call the almighty god by his first name?

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  Nobleheart

  I think that even though Yahweh or Jehovah (or any other more correct pronunciation) is God's name, which he himself declared to Moses, it's not obligatory for Christians to use it for a number of reasons.

  1 - If it was meant to be used by Christians, it would be present in extant copies of the NT. After all Christians are supposed to follow Christ's example. If Jesus isn't recorded referring to his Father as Jehovah, I don't see it as a requirement for any person.

  2 - If Jesus used the Divine Name (no reason why he would not), but he did not employ it due to the prevailing superstition thus showing respect for the cultural custom, why do JW use the Divine Name frequently even when talking to other non-JWs? I know from personal experience that other people found the repeated mentioning of "Jehovah" as weird to say the least, and off-putting.

  3 - If God took out from the nations a people for his name, he surely did not select Jehovah's witnesses (though they claim to bear his name). But Acts 11:26 says that the disciples were by divine providence simply called Christians. Romans 10:13 applies the Joel 2:32 to Jesus "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved". The entire context in Romans 10 speaks about Jesus.

  4 - Another thing I've been thinking about lately about the importance of using the Divine name are the last expressions Jesus uttered before dying. In those 7 last sayings, 3 of them are referring to God. He uses "God" in 1 of them, "Father" in 2.

  For example: Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani? (My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?)

  If this name was vital to be used and God meant us to say "Jehovah" in our prayers, otherwise he would not be listening; this would be a time for Jesus to do so.

  Personally I feel much closer referring to God as "Father", it truly creates a feeling of closeness and family affection.
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  New Light. Is it new truth or simply new understanding on the underlying truth?

  by garyneal in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i went to the assembly for half a day today.

  does truth change?".

  "the truth does not change," she said, "but our understanding of it changes.".

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  Nobleheart

  great reasoning garyneal! I also hope one day soon your wife realizes what you've been telling her all along.
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  "Marry only in the Lord", along with other verses, Jehovah's commands, or Paul's advice?

  by miseryloveselders in

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  2. friends

  wt june 1, 2004 pages 22-23. do your circumstances control your life?

  i typed the first part and the last part of the paragraph in question so as to avoid the filler.. we too may face situations for which we could be tempted to seek unscriptural solutions.

  for example, are you discouraged because you have no yet found a suitable marriage mate?

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  Nobleheart

  i agree with LonghairGal. If someone is a Christian, he/she is in the Lord (doesn't have to be a JW). Actually I don't believe JWs are in the Lord, but rather in the org.