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  Did you like the Society's calendars?

  by JimmyPage in

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  i always thought they were the most boring things i'd ever seen.

  a picture of someone preaching in a different land every month.. i always ended up hanging something far more entertaining, like an nfl calendar..

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  Nobleheart

  no, i actually hated them. Really boring images that I wouldn't want to look at. If they sold them in stores, I'd never buy them.
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  Info For Newbies and Current Jehovah's Witnesses! Please Read!

  by mentallyfree31 in

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  example: gravity is real.

  because if 607 bce is wrong, then so is 1914 and 1918 and 1919. very simple.

  so if we cannot trust secular research, then we can definitely discard the date of 607 bce.

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  Nobleheart

  Bttt.

  I just stumbled upon this thread and I think you made a great summary of points to be considered for any JW at present. Hopefully many will be willing to research things with an open mind.
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  No More Life Story

  by Farkel in

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  for reasons i've stated in the window washers thread, i will not write and post any more about my life as a jw.. thank you, "yesidid.

  " you're a real gem.. farkel.

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  Nobleheart

  Farkel I asked you to please write your story, and I read Chapter 1 with great interest. Don't be affected by what only 2 posters wrote, thus denying tens or hundreds of others the opportunity to read and benefit from your experience.

  Maybe you can reconsider since so many here were looking forward to reading it. But whatever you decide to do, you've got my respect.

  Nobleheart
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  Greetings to All, No Longer Lurking

  by Franklin Massey in

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  claustrophobic.

  that's the simplest way for me to express how i feel in the wt org.

  like many here, my eyes were slowly opened over the years as i did more earnest research, trying to reconcile some long standing spiritual quandaries.

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  Nobleheart

  Welcome here Franklin Massey!

  A great advice from another poster when I first signed up here was - "Keep on reading and keep on posting".

  There are many things to be discussed and discovered here and I've found people to be really helpful.
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  Judas, why???

  by dreamgolfer in

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  why do jw's continually "trash" judas for betraying jesus?.

  isn't it due to jesus death that we all have the opportunity for salvation?

  i am not suggesting we treat judas as a hero, but he was fortold to betray, jesus knew it was going to happen and went along with it.. if judas did not betray, what if jesus was not put to death, where would we all be now?.

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  Nobleheart

  Yes, Judas had to be Judas for us to be able to benefit from Christ's ransom.

  Jesus knew he would betray him and even ordered him to complete his task here at John 13:26, 27

  26 Therefore Jesus answered: “It is that one to whom I shall give the morsel that I dip.” And so, having dipped the morsel, he took and gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Is·car´i·ot. 27 And after the morsel then Satan entered into the latter. Jesus, therefore, said to him: “What you are doing get done more quickly.”

  Also the prophecies had to be fulfilled. See Acts 1:16

  16 “Men, brothers, it was necessary for the scripture to be fulfilled, which the holy spirit spoke beforehand by David’s mouth about Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus,"
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  I'm feeling disappointed now

  by Nobleheart in

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  i've been in this board for 2 months now, and have read and researched enough to know that what i thought was the one and only true religion isn't actually true.

  finding out real facts has brought me severe disillusion and sadness.

  as a jw i was taught that we were special in view of john 6:44 "no man can come to me unless the father, who sent me, draws him; and i will resurrect him in the last day.".

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  Nobleheart

  Thanks for everyone here for their help and comments. What more can I say? Coming to a realisation about the 'truth' isn't easy and I have very few people I've confided in. I love people here because they give me the time of day and contribute with positive and constructive comments.

  jwfacts - i have to read some books about cults to get the right perspective on how our situation in the org, isn't unique but shared by others too.

  designs & Mr Freeze - some days I feel like such an idiot for buying everything, and other days when I'm at meetings I feel lucky to have discovered reality when others are in darkness (funny because JW use that expression for ppl in the world). I really hope it gets better.

  GrandmaJones - I've had the same thought, too. If there is a God and I lose my faith due to my disillusion, then Watchtower would be bloodguilty. Not that I don't believe in God now, but our relationship is strained at the moment.

  Hoffnung - It's great the hear from you again. i'll visit the site you suggested. I'll also read In Search of Christian Freedom (i'm still reading CoC). I definitely feel part of this community now and will keep in touch to let you know where life and/or faith have taken me. One thing is certain: I would never join any fundamentalist religion, or start an immoral life. I didn't enjoy a normal youth, i've been in the 'truth' since adolescence up till present. I'm 27 now.

  nugget - i also feel it takes force of character to leave. the pain is indeed like a divorce or an emotional break-up. Thanks for the kind words.
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  Your most memorable Kingdom Hall meeting disruptions!

  by easyreader1970 in

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  i remember about twenty years ago some teenagers were caught fornicating in one of the additional schools.

  the schools were downstairs, essentially separated from the rest of the kh.

  they weren't just happened upon, though.

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  During a public talk the speaker fainted once due to hypoglycemia or heat shock or w/e and he collapsed in front of the microphone stand, the entire thing fell in the floor. People rushed through to give him help, whether resuscitation, water, sugar and he came back to himself. But the talk couldn't be resumed so we skipped to the WT study.

  The unbelieving, abusive husband of a sister came right into a meeting once. She hadn't told him where she'd be going, and had gone to the meeting in secret. He found out where she was sitting, got hold of her by the hair and gave her a couple of slaps. Needless to say everyone was horrified and shocked. He was taken out of the meeting by two brothers who almost got beat by the guy.
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  False Prophets or Just Poor Interpreters?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  is the wts a false prophet organization?

  are it's leaders false prophets?

  or have they simply been guilty of poor interpretation from time to time?.

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  Nobleheart

  leavingwt:

  I appreciate your quotes and scans, thanks for bringing them up. I'll definitely make good use of them with my family. I brought to their attention several times the question "How can a prophet be spirit directed and not inspired?" Nobody could give me an answer. But I liked how Don Cameron labels that a third type of prophet, a mix of true and false. I realize I have to read Captives of a Concept now, it looks like an interesting book.
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  are you wondering

  by TheLoveDoctor in

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  i stepped down in feb last year.

  i had time to read the whole bible once it took me 2.5 years then very recently it took me a year.

  i did not find the bible very comforting, way to much condoned murder only some of jesus words were worth something and so much repetition.

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  Nobleheart

  LD welcome here. Great post. You made some good points about the WT publishing too many books (which in principle they condemn for others, but in practice view it as abundant "timely spiritual food"); also Jesus' simple statements, being of value from the entire Bible. And prophecies with lesser and greater fulfillment also ticked me off, I always had doubts that they were crazy concoctions of a group of men who probably didn't believe themselves what they were writing.
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  Observation -- Posters Don't Seem Clueless

  by Band on the Run in

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  i'm impressed with sophisticated thinking on this site.

  after all it is an ex-witness site.

  i wonder what changed in the former witnesses.

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  Nobleheart

  I'm also impressed at how knowledgeable many posters here are, and how willing they are to help you out with research, reading materials or whatnot.

  Higher education doesn't answer questions like "what's the purpose of life?, why we suffer etc?" The JW religion assumes that it provides answers to all our questions. Questions that are legitimate, but perhaps we'll never actually find out. And they claim that the answers are all from the Bible, so people who have respect for the Scriptures give them the time of day.