just felt a tremor in boston and was on the phone when it happened with a coworker in dc - shook the building there :).
must be the last days!.
Felt it in South Central PA. . . wasn't bad or anything. But it was the first earthquake I've ever felt. Kind of felt like being on the second floor of a rickety old building during a windstorm for a few seconds. (But without wind noises)
Time to beg jehovah for forgiveness and prepare for armygedin.
in first amendment law, a heckler's veto is the suppression of speech by the government, because of [the possibility of] a violent reaction by hecklers.
it is the government that vetoes the speech, because of the reaction of the heckler.
under the first amendment, this kind of heckler's veto is unconstitutional.'[5].
I'm not sure I understand the definition still.
So I'm giving a speech about how Pepsi is WAY better than coke.
Some hecklers yell: "BOOO! Coke is king, pepsi is . . . ecksi! BOOOOOOOO!"
The police think the hecklers are about to get violent. So the police ask ME to stop speaking about Pepsi? That would be a 'hecklers veto' ?
Or did I misunderstand?
..when you got baptised, and when you discovered the truth about the truth?.
me: 20 and 27.
13 and 31....(odd flip flop of numbers there)
Maybe you should be glad you weren't baptised at 19 then?
hi everyone, first i just want to say if it wasn't this forum, i'd be baptized!
i haven't managed to successfully end my studies with a zealous jw.
she uses everything against me to brainwash me into believing i need the org.
You have to understand that lot of witnesses are actually sincere, but incredibly stupid.
She probably actually thinks that if you go god will bless you and you will miraculously feel better and well enough to attend.
That's cause these imbeciles sit in their seats throughout the entire convention and see the 105 year old lady in a wheelchair sitting in the disabled section and they figure that 'if she can do it, so can I' . . . but of course they don't see her being hauled off to the ER on a gurney during the afternoon session because she's a freeking century old with health problems and there's no divine help to keep her from falling apart during the convention.
Witnesses get all these stories of pioneers being pushed going around in iron lungs from door to door and think they're immortal so long as they try to do what the society tells them.
In short, when she says: "oh you'll feel so much better when you're there" She actually believes it. (and in fact if you were a religious person the adrenaline rush and exitement would very likely make you feel better for a while.)
first and foremost....if anyone out there has access to one and trusts me...please pm me.
i am dying to get my hands on a full copy.
but if not....can someone at least confirm.....does it expressly say (somewhere in the manual) that simply not accepting society based doctrine is grounds for disfellowshipping (on charges of apostasy?
Lore - I am still relatively new to teh community so I didn't know what confidential tools may or may not get shared with newbies.
Heheh, what do you think we are? the elder body? We don't have confidential tools. . .
At least none that I'm going to tell you about.
..when you got baptised, and when you discovered the truth about the truth?.
me: 20 and 27.
Baptised at 9.
Starting having doubts at 14.
Read about the witnesses in the watchtower library but didn't look online until I was about 15. Then I stop believing in the witnesses at all.
Officially decided I was an atheist at 17
first and foremost....if anyone out there has access to one and trusts me...please pm me.
i am dying to get my hands on a full copy.
but if not....can someone at least confirm.....does it expressly say (somewhere in the manual) that simply not accepting society based doctrine is grounds for disfellowshipping (on charges of apostasy?
if anyone out there has access to one and trusts me...please PM me.
Trust you? Why would we have to trust you? I'd hand em out like candy to strangers. (Except that I don't hand out candy to strangers, but I'm sure you know what I mean.)
But it's freely available on google docs at the moment: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B0P5s5YtkFqFODE4ZmNjM2UtYzAxNi00YmIzLWI5MzEtZTcwYTExYTI0MmM2&hl=no&authkey=CKHh4KkL
"If one obstinately is speaking about or deliberately spreading false teachings, this may be or may lead to apostasy. If there is no response after a first and a second admonition, a judicial committee should be formed."
So according to THAT, they will only take action if you are actively talk to people about your beliefs. . . But that's only in theory. If you tell an elder: "I'm an atheist and I think Jehovah is a fictional monster who is more evil than emperor Palpatine, but I won't talk to anyone about it" Odds are they'll try to disfellowship you whether you talk to anyone about it or not.
i have a pc running windows vista.. i was thinking about buying windows 7 upgrade................... what will happen to my itunes stuff and purchases?.
as far as Itunes, i bought an 8GB memory card and backed up my Itunes on the card
8GB? You call that a music collection?
just a brief question concerning this practice.. my wife is about to get her annual shepherding call.
frankly, i did not know that this routine practice existed.
what is the purpose of it?.
Depends on the congregation a bit.
In our last congregation while I was growing up we never got ANY sheperding calls. The elders only did sheperding calls if they think you messed up.
But then we moved to a new hall and they did sheperding calls on everyone at LEAST twice a year no matter what. They'd usually ask how everyone was doing, if they had any questions or concerns, if there were any goals the elders could help you reach. etc.
If your wife is in a congregation where they are routine then she should expect them to pray with her, read a few scriptures. They'll probably have a REALLY short prepared talk or article they want to read with her. Then they'll ask her what her spiritual goals are. Odds are she'll make something up real quick to avoid looking like she doesn't have any goals. And then they'll try to help her reach it.
So if she says she wants to conduct a bible study, they'll probably arrange for a pioneer to hand a bible study off to her in a few weeks. So 'be careful what you wish for' they might help you get it.
The whole thing normall only takes about 15 minutes.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/blogs/lab-notes/2008/10/27/found-king-solomon-s-mines.html.
for those who believe that the bible is entirely mythical?
just asking.... peace to you all!.
. . . The Bible doesn't mention any mine.
So someone finds a mine in the general area and which may have been used around the same time period.
Therefore the biblical claim that Solomon had about 30,000 tons of gold is divinely inspired truth?
When I was a witness I always thought Solomon was so rich because of his wisdom, and he bartered and traded so darn well. If he mined it all that's a bit less impressive.
