Posts by Lore

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I've completely revamped my business website

by JeffT in

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feedback is always welcome.

i have to do something to make some money.

i've included links to some of my recent (business related) writing.. www.soundnumbers.biz.

Lore

Do you think you could combine the 'Philosophy and Mission' with the 'About Us' section.

This would firstly cut down on the number of pages your viewers have to read.

It would also allow you to move the "Links to Jeffs Articles" button up to the top bar and get them all on one line.

And having fewer pages makes your site less intimidating.

Oh, and the 'Contact Us' link at the bottom of your home page actually takes you a sample page instead of linking to your 'contact us' page

Lastly. There is NO mention of pricing anyone on the site, which is fine I guess, but it means that the customer is going to HAVE to use the contact us form if they are even slightly interested.

But your contact us form is scary, do you really need their full name, address and 2 phone numbers?

I realize those forms can be left blank but a suprising number of people think you have to fill out all those forms and it will probably scare them away.

Maybe you should only ask for their name, phone number and email address.

And I wouldn't seperate it into first and last names, it seems friendlier to just ask for their name, they'll tell you what they want to tell you. And let them know the phone number is optional.

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JWs and hard times

by xelder in

the developed world is having hard economic times.

so, for a while now jw's have been voicing the familiar "it can't go on...things are so hard".

i'm in the usa, and the economics are tough, relative to this country.

Lore

Times are SO tough. . . I've had to cancel cable and switch to Neflix!

These are truly the last days!

Times aren't tough. We're living like KINGS compared to every other time period in human history.

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What good is punishment after you die?

by Lore in

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when your child disobeys, you punish him.

simple answer: so he will listen next time and won't disobey again.. if the child has a learning disorder and is incapable of learning from the punishment, odds are you will stop punishing him and will deal with his condition in other ways.. we punish children in order to change their behavior.

if the punishment does not promote a change in behavior the punishment is useless and possibly evil.. .

Lore

I was addressing the "what" that you are arguing "against" because it's false to begin with. I think that throwing out such things in a manner that suggests they are/might be TRUE... further perpetuates the harm done by those who do teach them as true... to those who accept them as true.

Well then I think we can both agree it's not true. But that doesn't change the fact that almost a third of Americans believe in it.

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Ugly people and crimes.

by Lore in

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i like to think that i'm perfectly rational at all times.. so in the interest of making myself more awesome i'd like to admit to and try to to fix a prejudice i think i may have.

but i'd also like to make sure it's not grounded in reality.. .

so earlier i saw a story about a woman who killed her baby in the microwave.

Lore

Not to mention a cannible. He didn't last long in prison.

Why? People in prision are poisonous or something?

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What good is punishment after you die?

by Lore in

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when your child disobeys, you punish him.

simple answer: so he will listen next time and won't disobey again.. if the child has a learning disorder and is incapable of learning from the punishment, odds are you will stop punishing him and will deal with his condition in other ways.. we punish children in order to change their behavior.

if the punishment does not promote a change in behavior the punishment is useless and possibly evil.. .

Lore

Can you show me, dear Lore (peace to you!) where God does this simply because one sinned?

Ummmmmmm, no? I'm arguing against it, not for it. To attempt to prove it true would be a bit counterproductive.

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What good is punishment after you die?

by Lore in

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when your child disobeys, you punish him.

simple answer: so he will listen next time and won't disobey again.. if the child has a learning disorder and is incapable of learning from the punishment, odds are you will stop punishing him and will deal with his condition in other ways.. we punish children in order to change their behavior.

if the punishment does not promote a change in behavior the punishment is useless and possibly evil.. .

Lore

When your child disobeys, you punish him. WHY?

Simple answer: So he will listen next time and won't disobey again.

If the child has a learning disorder and is incapable of learning from the punishment, odds are you will stop punishing him and will deal with his condition in other ways.

We punish children in order to change their behavior. If the punishment does not promote a change in behavior the punishment is useless and possibly evil.

When a criminal disobeys, we punish him. Why?

Simple answer: To discourage others from doing the same thing, and possibly to convince him to not do it again.

If the man has a mental disorder and was not in control of his actions, it still does the rest of society good to lock him up or rehabilitate him so that he cannot bother us anymore with his crimes.

It doesn't do HIM any good since he won't learn from it, but it does the rest of society a benefit by removing a harmful or dangerous force from the general population.

When a person sins, god sends him to hell AFTER HE DIES. Why?

Simple answer: I have no idea.

It cannot make him change his behavior since he has already died. It's not like he can commit the same crime again if he tried since he already did it all the times he possibly could. It doesn't protect anyone from him since you let him get away with it until he died, so if he was gonna go on a murdering rampage for 40 years, punishing him AFTER the fact does no good. You should have stopped him BEFORE or DURING the rampage.

If the goal is to prevent others from sinning by his example, then it fails in that regard as well since it only happens in some other invisible dimension after he's already died. So none of us can learn from his example.

What good does it do? And by 'good' I mean: Has a generally positive benefit for some intelligent being.

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Ugly people and crimes.

by Lore in

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i like to think that i'm perfectly rational at all times.. so in the interest of making myself more awesome i'd like to admit to and try to to fix a prejudice i think i may have.

but i'd also like to make sure it's not grounded in reality.. .

so earlier i saw a story about a woman who killed her baby in the microwave.

Lore

I like to think that I'm perfectly rational at all times.

So in the interest of making myself more awesome I'd like to admit to and try to to fix a prejudice I think I may have. But I'd also like to make sure it's not grounded in reality.

So earlier I saw a story about a woman who killed her baby in the microwave. I knew before I even clicked it that she was gonna be ugly. Probably overweight and have a weird shaped face.

Sure enough, I was right.

So I realized I was a pretty prejudist in this case. Even if I was right I shouldn't have assumed in advance that she'd be ugly. So I went searching for other crazy murderers, people who kill their children, etc trying to find a picture of a good looking one. . . as of yet I have failed.

Does the media just NOT show pictures of them if they're good looking, or pick the ugliest picture possible of an otherwise good-looking murderer?

Are they ACTUALLY good looking and I simply view them as ugly after I know what they did? (Maybe her super big forehead, asymetrical nose and far apart eyes are beautiful if you don't know what she did.)

Are ugly people really more likely to commit horrible crimes for whatever reason?

What am I missing here?

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KH = Private Property (No Trespassing sign)... wtf?

by Scully in

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do other churches have "no trespassing" signs on the grounds?.

i don't recall ever seeing "private property - no trespassing" signs on other churches, especially ones that have a priest or minister available at all hours, or ones that offer space for community services or other kinds of events.. i wonder whether there is some kind of legal expectation of a charitable organization that pays no taxes to offer access for community services in order to maintain their tax free status.. anyone else ever see signs like this on kh property?.

Lore

These guys put up a 'no tresspassing' sign, and expect people to obey it - but when they go door-knocking and see the very same sign in someone's yard... they can ignore it?

I know that's how it used to be. But lately, at least in my hall, if you see a no trespassing sign you absolutely do NOT ignore it.

Although we live in some backwater mountain country where every 10 year-old gets a rifle for christmas, so that might have something to do with our different policies.

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So I am possessed am I?

by trailerfitter in

well after a long spell of silence, i managed to get into a discussion about what happens when i get angry in the heat of the moment arguements with my jw wife.

i did have and arguement with my partner and ended up throwing something on the floor as i was very wound up.

(it is much better to express my anger this way than to hurt anyone).

Lore

What the hell are the WT teaching their followers about modern medical practices??

They teach them that taking blood is evil but if you split it up into a bunch of smaller parts first it might be ok. . . that's pretty much the limit of the WT teachings about modern medicine.

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What scripture do the JWs use to justify not partaking of the bread and wine?

by Caedes in

i don't have any jw reference books or cds apart from a copy of the nwt.. can anyone tell me what scriptures the jws use to justify not partaking of the bread and wine at the memorial?.

terry mentioned this topic in a thread which i wouldn't want to derail..

Lore

There is no single scripture which they use. There's a bunch all put together.

1st: 1 Corinthians 11:27 "So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord."
This scripture shows that SOME people are not worthy to partake. So there must be some kind of qualifications.

2nd: Luke 22:20 Jesus says: This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
So the people who are part of the new covenant should partake.

3rd: Luke 22:29 "And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me"
They say THIS is the new covenant. That they rule in the 'kingdom'

4th: Daniel 2:44 "God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people."
They believe that this is the 'kingdom' Jesus was talking about.

5th: Revelation 5:10 "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign over the earth"
So they think this meens that the ones in the new covenant are eventually gonna reign over the earth in the kingdom.

6th: Revelation 7:9, 14 In short this says that 144,000 are gonna be ruling in the kindom in heaven over a great multitude that came out of the tribulation.

So if you put it all together it means that only the ones who are gonna rule in heaven as part of the 144,000 are part of the new covenant and therefore qualified or 'worthy' to partake.