Should have said show me that in the bible.
pontoon
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Growing number of memorial partakers explained(?) by local elder
by stillin ini brought this up in a conversation after today's meeting.
the elder knowingly acknowledged the growing number and pointed out that of course, now we understand why this is so.
i gave my best blank stare and said "we do?
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What is the basis for authority for the governing body?
by Half banana ina word to jehovahs witnesses: what is the basis for the authority the seven members of the governing body can claim in controlling the lives of eight million followers?
the organisation they represent has never got one useful piece of information correct in one hundred and thirty five years... so why should they be believed?.
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pontoon
A huge part of their authority comes from the millions of witnesses that recognize and accept them as their authority. They are only the authority over people who allow them to be. Most of us on JWN decided not to let them have authority over us anymore and that's it, they no longer do, nothing they can do about it. Can't arrest, prosecute, fine, or jail us. No more authority. -
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Watchtower Strains Local Town Budgets
by pontoon inhttp://www.recordonline.com/article/20150307/news/150309486
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pontoon
A little about the taxes in this area. No doubt some of the highest school and property taxes in the nation but definitely not an area with an abundance of well paying jobs. So when Wat buys these properties and takes them off the tax rolls all taxpayers rates have to tick up to make up that difference. A lot of rural area around here and it is not unusual for a person to have more than a few acres of land. I'll use myself as an example. I have 4 acres, house, garage and my school and property tax together is almost $7,000 a year and it goes up every year. School districts are crying every year for more as are the towns and counties and the property owning tax paying citizens around here are taxed to their limit. Many are selling out because they can't afford to live around here anymore. So this tax exempt crap is a serious issue around here. Pontoon from the overtaxed mid Hudson Valley. -
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Watchtower in local newspaper
by lostinthought inforgive me if this has been posted already but this was in my local paper today.. http://m.recordonline.com/article/20150307/news/150309486/0/wap&template=wapart.
if you have time to read, this is an interesting article talking about watchtowers property in ulster and orange county ny and how much the properties are worth.
it also goes on to show how the tax exempt stays is hurting the communities..
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pontoon
Not the reason. The reason for the ladder truck donation was Wat couldn't get permits to build the Patterson residence because the town didn't have a ladder truck large enough to provide adequate fire rescue, so Wat bought the truck they needed so they got their permits.
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Watchtower Strains Local Town Budgets
by pontoon inhttp://www.recordonline.com/article/20150307/news/150309486
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pontoon
Another way of seeing it-----Wat sends their FREE labor to do a community job. Big <>?":+_ deal. Then Wat get a Thank You for doing it with a mention in the weekly Shawagunk Valley News and the guys that did the work for NOTHING aren't mentioned. -
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Watchtower Strains Local Town Budgets
by pontoon inhttp://www.recordonline.com/article/20150307/news/150309486
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pontoon
I would have to say the amount of community service Wat does not come close to the value of property and school tax they don't pay. And to add to that, other individuals, businesses, groups contribute to the community in various ways AND pay their taxes. That falls into the category of being a good neighbor. Wat spends money locally if it is the best way for them to accomplish their goals, not because they feel they should put money into the local economy. They do community work to stay on the "good" side of town officials because they constantly have to appear in front of and deal with these officials for variances, permits, inspections...... It's all about Watchtower, that's it. -
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Watchtower Strains Local Town Budgets
by pontoon inhttp://www.recordonline.com/article/20150307/news/150309486
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A "body of elders" or really one main guy?
by Simon inthe wts promotes the idea of congregations being managed by a body or elders who all follow their rules and so are in full agreement with how things should be done.. was your hall like this?.
out hall was a constant battlefield for power between a couple of elders and their families - relatives that had been promoted to various positions.
it wasn't some hidden secret, it was blatant and obvious.
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pontoon
Bodies I served on were dominated by either family---father, sons, son in laws so they all voted the same or one dominate brother from Wat farm that had his followers that would always make the majority. Once that dominate one makes their case that's the way it would go. -
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What is the basis for authority for the governing body?
by Half banana ina word to jehovahs witnesses: what is the basis for the authority the seven members of the governing body can claim in controlling the lives of eight million followers?
the organisation they represent has never got one useful piece of information correct in one hundred and thirty five years... so why should they be believed?.
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In a simple example; take any number of people, 5, 10, 15.... all hired at the same time for the same money to do the same job with the same status. One of those people is going to end up telling the others what and how to do it and the rest of the people will not only take that direction but they will start to look to that self appointed leader for direction. It's "Lord Of the Flies" and it is the way it goes. The JW GB thing is more complex but in a nutshell that's it. -
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Even if everything about the "truth" was all true...........
by pontoon ini will say that one of the most distasteful teachings for me is the idea of praising, thanking, worshiping, god every day for all eternity.
what kind of ego needs that?
like if i ever saved a person's life i would say buy me a bottle of scotch and we'll call it even.
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If it's all true........the earth and inhabitants are god's greatest creation, but it all barely amounts to a speck in the universe. So why is this creator of heaven and earth so hung up on being worshiped by the people on the speck? And is that it? Is earth, inhabitants, a speck among countless of galaxies his best work in thousands X thousands of years? God's all done? Move on to a new project and screw around with them for a couple thousand years