Posts by lepavoux

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Rutherford Exposed: The Story of Berta and Bonnie

by Farkel in

it was made by a women who in later years wore crotchless panties and bras which had holes in the nipple areas.

he not only knew the woman in question (she's now deceased), he has met her numerous times.

up until recently this secret of her year's long sexual affair with rutherford was kept by the family.

lepavoux

TO LEOLAIA,

Good photos of Bonnie Boyd, do you want to tell us where you got them,or is that private?

Maurice Le Pavoux.

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Is the Watchtower stubbornly holding onto the 70 year exile figure within the Old Testament?

by sabastious in

i read outlaw's post about how he has watched people make an online career out of debating for and against arguments regarding 607 and 586 being the date of jerusalem's fall.

he's right that this has happened and it's had the nasty side effect of "mudding up the waters" so-to-speak in regards to anyone wishing to glean wisdom from these debates.. i am not a historian and when posts start getting overtly historical my reading of them seems to slow down and i find myself having to reread posts.. i am going to try to simply state each argument to see if i have put it together (correct me if i am wrong):.

the watchtower says that they default to the bible's figure of 70 years of jewish exile which is used more than once in the old testament.

lepavoux

It dos'nt matter about 607 BC or 587 BC, why not? Because Daniel 4 had no 2nd fulfillment of the chopped down tree, it was all made up by people who lived before Charles Russell, therefore there is no 2520 years, no 1914, no 1919, no 1914 "Overlapping Generation".

Therefore all of you Jehovah's Witnesses who are reading these posts need to THINK and to search for what the real truth is---it's there for you if you really want to fined it!

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Question about 607/587

by drewcoul in

i am not an expert on this issue.

i have read and re-read information about it, but i guess i am somewhat dense when it comes to this topic.. my question is simple: the watchtower suggests that they believe the bible is the unerring word or god.

that it must be believed above anything else.

lepavoux

It dos'nt matter about 607 BC or 587 BC, why not? Because Daniel 4 had no 2nd fulfillment of the choped down tree,it was all made up by people who lived before Charles Russell, therefore there is no 2520 years, no 1914, no 1919, no"1914 Overlapping Generation.

Therefore all of you Jehovah's Witnesses who are reading these posts need to THINK and to search for what the real truth is -- it's there for you if you really want to fined it.

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Question about 607/587

by drewcoul in

i am not an expert on this issue.

i have read and re-read information about it, but i guess i am somewhat dense when it comes to this topic.. my question is simple: the watchtower suggests that they believe the bible is the unerring word or god.

that it must be believed above anything else.

lepavoux

It dos'nt matter about 607 BC or 587 BC, why not? Because Daniel 4 had no 2nd fulfillment of the choped down tree,it was all made up by people who lived before Charles Russell, therefore there is no 2520 years, no 1914, no 1919, no"1914 Overlapping Generation.

Therefore all of you Jehovah's Witnesses who are reading these posts need to THINK and to search for what the real truth is -- it's there for you if you really want to fined it.

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WT Society Alters their History as " The Party " did in George Orwell's 1984

by flipper in

jw
friends

finally my wife and i got around to reading george orwell's " 1984 " .

as many of you know who have read the book that " the party " or " big brother " as the ruling power in the book is called ; constantly changes records of it's past dealings so as to deceive the public about any false forecasts they may have mistakenly made ; in an effort to put forth a positive image of itself it destroys past embarrassing records or paperwork which would expose the " party " as a failure.

much the way the wt society has altered their history to deceive the public and their own members.. notice this quote from george orwell's " 1984 " on pg.

lepavoux

You can read"1984"on line above, also Google Amazon.co.uk, the book section has it on offer at a low price.

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Confusing messages at DC

by Kensho in

okay i know everyone has probably already attended the dc and have posted their experiences here, but i just went to fri. and sat.

session (with a drama although timely for families i thought would never end) and a couple of bizarre things stood out.. very poor attempt at explaining the overlapping gen. new light.

during the brother's talk he said" there are two phases to the overlapping generations".

lepavoux

THE OVERLAPPING GENERATION TRICK:

When the new seven members of the Governing Body die off you know what will happen then don't you?

The Chain-Reaction, leap-Froging Trick will take place all over again with a new Governing Body, and so on and so on.

Unless of course the 7 and a half million wake up to it. What do you think?

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When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed? Why It Matters - What the Evidence Shows

by wannabefree in

obviously 607 is a problem, watchower coming out full forces on this one in the latest public edition.. http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/wp_e_20111001.pdf.

lepavoux

When was Ancient Jersalem Destroyed? 607BC or 587BC?

Answer, it does not matter, why not? Because there was only one fulfillment of Nebuchadnezzar's dream with Daniel Chap 4 of the chopped down tree, there is no 2520 years concoction that has been around for hundreds of years!

Satan never sleeps with all his wicked tricks.

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That Magical Number: 2,520

by Quendi in

i wanted to relate this experience i had on sunday while renewing ties with an old friend.

we argued about the meaning of daniel 4 and nebuchadnezzar's "tree dream".

my friend had insisted this dream told the reader the length of the gentile times.

lepavoux

Russell used "inches" measurements of The Great Pyramid to get to his 1914 date, when the Pyramid was built was it not cubits that were used in those days?"Inches"were not used back then!

Did he Claim God foresaw the measurements in the 19th century would be in "inches" therefore he laid out the Pyramid in "inches?

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When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed? Why It Matters - What the Evidence Shows

by wannabefree in

obviously 607 is a problem, watchower coming out full forces on this one in the latest public edition.. http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/wp_e_20111001.pdf.

lepavoux

You know the answer to all of this debate, it's in the book " THE GENTILE TIMES RECONSIDERED "! (By Carl Olof Jonsson)

Chapter 6 shows that Nebuchadnezzar's dream of the chopped-down tree regarding "The Seven Times" had only one fulfillment, to say there was a 2nd fulfillment has no scriptural authority at all.

So therefore it is not relevant if Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BC or 587 BC because "2520 years" "Seven Times" is nothing but a made up concoction.

The one and only fulfillment was to humble Nebuchadnezzar for the arrogance that he had.

If only William Miller, Nelson Barbour and Charles Russell had seen this maybe Jehovah's Witnesses would not be in the mess they are in now!

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587 B.C.E vs 607 B.C.E

by fade_away in

the latest oct. watchtower has an article that seems to be controversial amongst us "apostates.

" it's a long complicated article with tons of confusing names and dates, but in the end it sums it up and says:.

"to sum up: the bible clearly states that there was an exile of 70 years.

lepavoux

The desolation of Palestine by the Babylonians took place 20 years before the destruction of Jerusalem, (587 BCE) herefore the captivity was 50 years, making a total of 70 years altogether.

The best book on this subject is "The Gentile Times Reconsidered", you should be able to get it from"Commentary Press" Atlanta or "Amazon".