Posts by Hoffnung

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After Reinstatement

by NewChapter in

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i never had anyone close to me d'fd when i was still in my jw daze.

but i know that once it happens, good friends are crushed and desperately want that person reinstated.

when they are reinstated, there is a lot of (quiet) celebration.

Hoffnung

"afterwards, friendships just never seemed to truly recover. It looked like the df process ruined the friendships even after reinstatement."

This also my experience. I think the fear of attaching themselves too strong to somebody who once "left", is putting a strain on relationships (he could do it again). It should not be forgotten that the R&F believe that only unrepentant ones get DF'ed, that the punishment is deserved. They will never know how far away this is from reality.

From the reinstated point of view, I also have to say that the shunning by family and friends is not easy to forget either. Being confronted with the fact that their love is conditional, is holding me back from getting too close with them as well.

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last day at the kingdom hall

by ex-Special Pioneer in

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prologue.

get out shouted the audience you must be ashamed of yourself.

the crowd was in a hysterical state, every time that we tried to say something we were silenced by the clapping and screams which got louder and louder of the majority of the two hundred people in attendance.

Hoffnung

Hi Paul,

please carry on with your story! I am hungry for more. I feel there is no reason at all to doubt your story.

Hoffnung

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The story of Punkofnice. It was the 'Overlapping' that finally got me out!

by punkofnice in

why i am now a faded apostate after the ridiculous overlapping teaching!.

i was raised in the trooooooooooth and both my parents were pioneers.

over the years i pioneered, was an ms and finally an elder.

Hoffnung

CFS was something I had repeatedly seen in JW women but never thought it to be unusual.

So true. Lots of sisters I know cope with depression, panic attacks, CFS, fybromalgia, etc. And also a lot of brothers are coping with depressions and psycho based food intolerances. Everybody looks tired and IS tired. All the guilt and the continuous 'do-more! the-end-is-near! (despite the overlapping generation) It is just 30 hours to aux pion in april, you have to do it!' is driving this poor people to their limits all the time. So many burn-outs. Wholesome theocratic activities, my A$$...

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Just Received This Email From "Knocking" Director

by DarioKehl in

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knocking update.

february 2011. www.knocking.org.

Hoffnung

One premature death as this one is one too much. It is really sad Seth could only extend his life another 3 more years. I feel sorry for his wife, baby and parents. I still find quite heroic to give up one of your organs to save a life, as his father did.

The emotions left aside 'knocking' is indeed biased, definitely in favor of the watchtower. But maybe to have at least some effect on the 'faithful' it might be necessary, an unbiased docu might get all their defenses up straightaway. It will get slandered by the elders from the platform to prevent the R&F from watching. I watched 'Knocking' when I was still a 'believer', encouraged to do so by the 'friends', and it was one of the contributing factors on reconsidering the value of preaching Door to door. Believe it or not, I was quite ignorant about how 'agressive' field service is experienced by the public in general. After having watched it, I could not understand why elders and others encouraged us to watch it, I did not think it was so positive for us, witnesses. If this was the most 'positive' the world could produce about the Witnesses, what else is out there we don't know about? If it would be generally known among witnesses that the filmmaker was gay, way less witnesses would have watched. It is quite funny the society concealed this fact. clearly double standards, but what can we expect... from Gods sole Channel of Communication...

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CO's putting the screws on elder bodies, and ministerial servants to auxilliary pioneer this April.

by miseryloveselders in

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i have such a love/hate, 50/50 relationship with this organization any more, but a letter was read to the elders and ministerial servants that has pushed me to the 30/70 range in favor of hate, if even momentarily.

most of you if not all are aware of the auxilliary pioneering initiative for this upcoming april.

it's no secret that i'm not real fond of pioneering as its unscriptural for one thing.

Hoffnung

I just wish I hadda come across all this information before I got baptized. I could have avoided a whole lot of unneccesary stress and nonsense.

I could not write it better.

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Why I Eventually Left

by itscrap&theyknowit! in

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i am new to this but, for years, i was already out.

don't know where to start.

as i have read the many posting, i'm not alone in my feelings.

Hoffnung

Wow, what a 1st post! Welcome here. There definitely are lots of women like you in the org. You must be a strong woman to hold it out for so many years. It really is too sad it lasted for so long. Are you reading post here for some time? Feel free to vent your emotions in writing. Who could not understand this feelings of anger about all the wasted time and energy, whereas life could have been so different? Writing stuff can be therapeutic in some ways. I wish you all the best and hope to read some more from you in the near future.

Hoffnung

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What the law says...

by TD in

...is not always what the law actually means.. that idea might sound like doublethink at first, but it's a basic principle of every legal system and there are several very valid reasons for this.. first: a simple, mechanical reading of law can run counter to what the law was actually intended to accomplish.

here's a simple example to illustrate this:.

there are certain plants in the american southwest that are protected by law.

Hoffnung

Thank you for making this difference about what is not a breach of the sabbath law. The ideas could be applied on many rigid society rules, and this thread could go into many directions. Of course logic reasoning, an honest interest in the human aspects of life and a good measure of common sense are required. Sadly, these qualities are quite rare in bodies of elders these days.

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The Danger of Credulous Research of Jehovah's Witnesses on the Internet

by Spade in

http://www.watchtower21.org/2011/02/danger-of-naive-and-credulous-research.html.

it's been my experience so far, that anything a person wants to find out about jehovahs witnesses, they can find out from jehovahs witnesses.

any and all information ever published by jehovah witnesses is accessible to all.

Hoffnung

Hi Spade, If your behind this article on that website, you make some very interesting statements to say the least, unfortunately not all that honest. Let me quote:

It's been my experience so far, that anything a person wants to find out about Jehovah’s Witnesses, they can find out from Jehovah’s Witnesses. Any and all information ever published by Jehovah Witnesses is accessible to all.

If that is true, then why does the WT Library CD-ROM does not contain the books & bound volumes from before 1950? Why are they not present in the KH libraries? Why is the Aid-to-bible-understanding not on the cd-rom, nor the organization book (which you only can obtain once you express your desire to become a publisher), nor the Shepherd-the-Flock book or the Pioneer book? Quite recently I was discouraged by a close family member from looking into older publications from the society, repeating the society's viewpoint. Why does the society discourage people from looking into their own history?

Good educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion

So where is your presentation from the non-JW side of the discussion? I am afraid you have called yourself a bad educator. Just as TD mentioned, Rutherford had quite a bad health, and therefore spent the winters in California.

I am a Witness for decades, as are my parents. Having gone to all the meetings in all these years, having spent many days in building Kingdom Halls & Bethel homes, having an elder as father and being an appointed man myself, has learned me very little about Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the years. I learned a lot more in the last few months doing research on the internet.

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CO's putting the screws on elder bodies, and ministerial servants to auxilliary pioneer this April.

by miseryloveselders in

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i have such a love/hate, 50/50 relationship with this organization any more, but a letter was read to the elders and ministerial servants that has pushed me to the 30/70 range in favor of hate, if even momentarily.

most of you if not all are aware of the auxilliary pioneering initiative for this upcoming april.

it's no secret that i'm not real fond of pioneering as its unscriptural for one thing.

Hoffnung

Thank you for refreshing the memories of the past. What is a suggestion for publishers always becomes an absolute must for appointed brothers. Of course a rank & file will never know that all elders & MS are forced or at least put under high pressure to do this aux pion thing, and do or leave all the other things which are merely 'suggestions' and 'things you are encouraged to do' for publishers. If they only could have a good look in the internal kitchen of their own congregation, realizing all the things which are done under compulsion and not out of a willing spirit, way less energy & time would be lost on absolute futile activities. Same with marking talks. If somebody gets marked, publishers can decide for their own how much social contact they will have with the marked person. Not so for appointed bros. They'll lose their position if they don't cut the ties, no matter how close friends or family you are. Could go on like that a few more pages. Happy I am not an appointed bro any more. MLE, wish you all the best, and I hope you can continue to cope with the pressure.

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so oompa got df'd this week...

by oompa in

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no call to invite me to a committee meeting...no notification of deciding i should be df'd....no telling my jw wife of the announcement...not a chance to appeal what i did not even know what was going on...my mini-serve son is devasted....he even researched it....told me to go to page 153-154 of the od book...never heard of it but it is a green hardback given to all who are to be baptized.

wow...the elders broke every rule in this book as to my case.... i have no respect for these men that can take away your jw family without even telling you they are going to.

my jw son has now begged me to meet with my committee...even though there is prob zero chance they can reverse the decision...that chance is from when they let you know...and you have to appeal by letter within 7 days (i cant make this stuff up!!

Hoffnung

Hi Oompa,

So sorry that all these disasters all come at the same time. We are all happy you made it. You definitely don't need this treatment from 'shepherds'. Stupid authoritarian §%$%/&I's!!! Actually it shows pretty well that the society CANNOT be used by God. So much hardness and coldness many unbelievers would not be able to produce. It should teach your wife a big lesson. If the roles were reversed, how would she feel now? Would she still be alive at all?

What you could use to reverse the DF, is the fact that you were most probably unconscious or under drugs when you got the blood transfusion. Your wife took the decision, and it might be quite a while since you discussed this with your wife. Your point of view could have changed. So actually there was nothing you could do to prevent it. I believe the elders were a bit rash to go that fast in making the announcement. I would definitely consider an appeal, whether straight to bethel, the CO, or the JC. Whether you got the transfusion or not, does actually not really matter, it is whether or not you consented to it. Which you were not able to.

We are all happy your doctors did a good job and pulled you through. I wish you a speedy recovery and all the best.

Hoffnung