Posts by Retrovirus

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Childbirth

by sleepingbeauty in

im not a prude, but i just dont like it when the wbts disgusses the facts of life such as childbirth within their articles - (artists impression of a pregnant woman included) it means that all children regardless of age get to understand things they ought not know as yet... am i on my own with this...

awake january 2011 page 16... (ive not worked out how to make this a clickable link, so if it dont work put this into your browser to go to pdf article).

http://www.jw.org/index.html?option=qryqcsvrgznt.

Retrovirus

Sleepingbeauty,

I've never hidden anything from my two when they were small (for fear of misinformation from other kids, if nothing else).

Yet I do feel offended when the WT puts its smutty fingers on this quite personal subject. And all to sell the "intelligent design" rubbish.

Childbirth is a dangerous and agonising process and it is made much more dangerous by forbidding blood transfusions when needed. If God deliberately designed it that way, then that's not a god of love. (Yes, childbirth is wonderful too! )

When anaesthesia was first trialled, religious fundamentalists tried to forbid its use in childbirth quoting "in sorrow will you bring forth. . ." Fortunately the Watchtower came along a bit too late for this "light"; I cannot help wondering if it would have seemed right to the GB.

Retro

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return visit with my jw barber today

by JunkYardDog in

jw
friends

as i sit down i see wt books on the counter.

after the hair cut the barber agreed it look up some of the stuff i told him.

i agreed , it don't make it true , but most everything on those sites is on the wts cd.

Retrovirus

Hi JYD,

LOL the way you turned the JW terminology around, you made the return visit on your student!

For the rest, I don't think his age or that it was his workplace should put him off limits since he was set up to witness there anyway.

Also, not impressive that he didn't want to talk religion when the conversation wasn't going his way; I'm sure he'd have been fine with it if you were an "honest-hearted enquirer" (or sucker)

I'm sure you gave him something to think about, and hopefully made him wary of witnessing at work.

Personally I'd prefer to put the frog on lukewarm water and bring it to the boil slowly, but it takes a big investment in time, and still may come to nothing!

Retro

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introduction

by pontoon in

lozasleft said i should introduce myself.

i wasn't happy my dad got baptized because i thought it would change him and i liked him the way he was.

anyway i got baptized in 1969 at 16 yrs old mainly because i wanted to be able to date jw girls.

Retrovirus

Welcome, Pontoon!

Retro

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These are good people

by Retrovirus in

in my introductory post i told about the jws that have been visiting me at my sil's request.

at first i spoke with them for her sake, then found i liked them anyway.

what i didn't like was the literature, especially the stuff trying to disprove evolution.

Retrovirus

Outlaw says

This is going to be funny..

A..She`s going to ignore that request..

B..She`s going to do a quick read and make some shit up that sounds good to her..

I'm betting on "A". The WT dissinformation ignores viruses, let alone retroviruses, and for good reason!

Retro

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These are good people

by Retrovirus in

in my introductory post i told about the jws that have been visiting me at my sil's request.

at first i spoke with them for her sake, then found i liked them anyway.

what i didn't like was the literature, especially the stuff trying to disprove evolution.

Retrovirus

SBC, JNFB and Outlaw, thanks for your comments.

This is what I find hardest to understand about JWs; the utter confidence that they can refute any point a "worldly" makes from the Bible and their literature. All of a respected scientific theory can be utterly demolished in a 35 page brochure with a primary school vocabulary. All we worldlies need to do is keep an open mind and learn. . .

And yet.

They must witness in pairs or more, they cannot look at an "apostate" book or website, their beliefs need to be reinforced by hours of meetings and days of conventions.

Their faith must be very flimsy to need so much protection.

Retro

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These are good people

by Retrovirus in

in my introductory post i told about the jws that have been visiting me at my sil's request.

at first i spoke with them for her sake, then found i liked them anyway.

what i didn't like was the literature, especially the stuff trying to disprove evolution.

Retrovirus

Debator,

I am no evolutionist I believe in God however interesting retroviruses are for me they confirm intelligent design not "sludge to man in a billion years

".

Fine, but that's a statement of belief, not a point in a debate. I'd understood that you were going to telling me why evolution is wrong. To continue you'd need to explain how retroviruses confirm intelligent design, and I'd be very interested in that.

If you are struggling with whether to believe in God or not that is a different issue than which god is the true one

Whatever my beliefs are, they don't affect the facts supporting evolution of this discussion.

I think evolutionists get so wrapped up in the minutia they cannot see the obvious in the beautiful harmony of the whole

The preceding bit about sunrise is nice and poetic. This, however, is just an ad-hominem attack with no support. Nor have you considered the many scientists (40%, Nickolas said) who believe in God.

Have you anything to support your beliefs about evolution? If not, you cannot keep pronouncing them as if they have any basis.

Retro

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These are good people

by Retrovirus in

in my introductory post i told about the jws that have been visiting me at my sil's request.

at first i spoke with them for her sake, then found i liked them anyway.

what i didn't like was the literature, especially the stuff trying to disprove evolution.

Retrovirus

Thanks, everyone, I'm learning all the time. Black sheep, I feel sure that I'll get a devil on my back at some stage, so far I think these JWs

have dealt mainly with new immigrants, in a poorer area, and aren't used to questions like mine.

Debator, hoping for a reply on evolution . . .?

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These are good people

by Retrovirus in

in my introductory post i told about the jws that have been visiting me at my sil's request.

at first i spoke with them for her sake, then found i liked them anyway.

what i didn't like was the literature, especially the stuff trying to disprove evolution.

Retrovirus

thank you, dgp!

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As for the current Governing Body members, they are "fakes."

by possible-san in

well, .... although i have stated in this forum several times, and probably also other people stated about it, i would like to say again now.. as for the current governing body members, they are the "fake anointed.".

http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/notes-on-governing-body-of-jehovahs.html.

the greatest tragedy of today's jehovah's witnesses is that fakes/liars are guiding the organization.. people who have served jehovah for years should remember the "basic doctrine.".

Retrovirus

Possible-san and others,

Sorry to come onto this topic late, but could you please explain to a newbie? Are "real" anointed those who identified themselves before 1935?

Do the anointed have a rank or class in the WTS?

Retro

(For background, I'm not a JW, but have a family member who is, and who has set me up with a couple of regular JW visitors, and I'm trying to learn all I can quickly.)

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These are good people

by Retrovirus in

in my introductory post i told about the jws that have been visiting me at my sil's request.

at first i spoke with them for her sake, then found i liked them anyway.

what i didn't like was the literature, especially the stuff trying to disprove evolution.

Retrovirus

Whereami, thanks for the material (sorry it took so long to post this).

They did give me that latest tract, the subject of the video. I missed a couple of issues they nailed, but there are others, namely

1. evolution "falls" because abiogenesis is as yet unproven (so I guess we know nowt about chemistry because it is based on atomic physics, which is based on subatomic particles and there's a lot to learn there)

2. The cell is the smallest unit of life. Completely ignores viruses. Quite a problem for designed life whether or not they are "alive", and also retrovirus sequences are a strong indicator for evolution.

I look forward to my next discussion with the JWs.

Retro

PS , Outlaw, thanks for the heads up on Debator. So far I'm more impressed my "my" JWs. . .