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That god's chosen , final message would come via factually incorrect, badly illustrated, childlike publications hidden in laundromats.
But - reading those magazines will give you the equivalent of a college degree at least . .
Retrovirus
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Out Of All JW Beliefs Which Is The Weirdest?
by minimus ini know there's plenty.. one that comes to mind is the blood doctrine.
whole blood is bad, blood fractions may be ok but not all.....wtf?
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How Would You Answer...?
by EmptyInside ini'm wondering what to reply to someone who said the main message of the "truth" is the same.
that jehovah is god and he sent his only-begotten son to die for us,so that,we could have everlasting life on earth.. the rest of the changes don't really matter to them.
that witnesses are the only religion to teach this and the only ones preaching it.
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The rest of the changes don't really matter to them.
Classic CD right there. They know there are changes and fear they are significant, and don't want to know any more.
I'd say it's no use discussing beliefs with that person at this time . . . wish I'd known this earlier. .
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How Have you Counted your time for Pioneering?
by jehu or jehonadab injust woundering how have you counted your time in field service especially if you were pioneering?.
would like to see if any of you were on the same page as i was.
with so much to do, like reading all the watchtower and awake each month and the bible reading each week.
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Retrovirus
The whole counting-time thing sounds like my early jobs - pay was by hours and you were paid less if you finished to quickly. Yes, I dawdled and since the time I took was quite comparable to others, no repercussions. Nor do I have any regrets. It was more important to me to bring home the most money for my children than to provide my employer with the best possible value.
When I was paid by results - that all changed.
If you believe in what you are doing and work with a passion, you cannot and don't want to cut corners. I see the blown-up hours reported as a sign of something wrong with the "service", not the people.
Poor Teary.
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Newbie to the Boards !
by TheOutSpoken1 inid like to introduce my self as im new......a lil nervous but ready to have some conversation that doesnt require me to rely on old men in ny to think for me.
im tired of the puppetteering, the sly green handshakes to move up, the lies turned into new light- "what happened to yes means yes?
", just has the makings of a bad ponzi scheme in my opinion...i officially begun my fade this year.....and im enjoying it.
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Welcome from a non-jw
Good on you for going to college? What course are you completing?
Also suggest you check out jwfacts for an excellent summary of the religion
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What percentage of assmbly experiences are total fabrication?
by NoRegrets inwhen i was in 4th grade, i ended up in a situation involving minor school politics.
they had developed a "student council" which did little more than sell pencils at lunch time for fundraisers.
anyway, i was appointed by the teacher and didn't think much of it as an 8-9 year old.
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Retrovirus
Some good examples on this thread
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Retrovirus
Welcome from Australia, Newbies!
MisAloha said: You would think only kids would repeat back exactly what was in the paragraph but many do it
Indeed! It's a joke to call it "study", but my jw study conductor tried to get me to do it too. It's a worry when you're told what to ask, and how to feel about the answers, isn't it?
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-23-2011 WT Study (PURSUE PEACE)
by blondie inreview comments will be headed by comments.
comments.
comments.
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Peace at Any Price?
15. When should we report a serious sin that we
have become aware of?
15 As Christians, we are exhorted to pursue
peace. However, the Bible also states: “The
wisdom from above is first of all chaste, then
peaceable.” (Jas. 3:17) Being peaceable is
secondary to chasteness, that is, upholding
God’s clean moral standards and meeting his
righteous requirements.
Typical twisted interpretation. If being peaceable is secondary to chasteness it means personal chasteness, not sticking your nose in others' affairs and ratting them out.
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"we don't need holidays as an excuse to give gifts to our children"
by Sour Grapes inbefore my mother became a jehovah's witness i remember.
the fun of christmas and opening the beautifully wrapped.
gifts under the christmas tree.
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thetrueone, I agree with much of your post.
Should compassion and empathy have to be strictly held to one day a year, by a fictitious organized religious date.
Obviously not, and they obviously are not! The Christmas "extra" to the charities was in addition to regular and structured support. It was more like a gift to someone we knew. Nor do I house backpackers out of any charity; that had to do with networking and a hostel with bedbugs.
One can also see a lot of bad things such as desperation, anxiety and depression.
Are you aware of the increase in suicides at this time of year ?
Yes indeed. And I have personal experience of the strains of a dysfunctional family spending time together. Also I have two acquaintances who choose to spend the day alone, and know of their isolation and dread of the day. Neither is compelled to be alone. Again, no light without dark.
Quite frankly I would say this festivity highlights the disparity between the have and have nots
If that's what you're looking for, you can find it. But it's not how I'd describe the celebrations at the orphanages, nor the volunteer-staffed dinners for homeless people.
because of its highly commercial nature
Ah, I see a difference between commercial exploitation and "commercial nature". Other celebratory days, as well as non-celebratory occaisions are equally exploited. As for the canned carols, yes, they grate on me too!
To get back to shouting distance of the topic, I certainly give and receive presents at other times of the year. Wrapped presents on birthdays, and special occaisions. Thougtful little "finds" at any time. And Christmas is still special - but, as MrMonroe said, it can't be compulsory, nor forbidden.
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"we don't need holidays as an excuse to give gifts to our children"
by Sour Grapes inbefore my mother became a jehovah's witness i remember.
the fun of christmas and opening the beautifully wrapped.
gifts under the christmas tree.
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thetrueone, It's a shame you only see the "dark side" of Christmas. Every light casts a shadow, just as every cloud has a silver lining.
Growing up, we were not religious, but Christmas Eve was a great family gathering; traditional foods, house smelling of fir and candles everywhere, great heaps of presents. And Coca Cola which we never got otherwise.
I tried to maintain the spirit of celebration and warmth for my children. Not always easy, but financial planning and saving during the year prevents the stress. And it's about so much more than the presents!
Last year I had two European backpackers staying with me, so we observed the Advents together, and made the traditional cinnamon stars. And less traditional kangaroos, and koalas. Then we opened a bottle to wash down the artistic failures.
The charity we support at work gave a couple of hundred dollars to each of the African orphanages supported. The walls were covered with pictures of radiant children on their first ever jumping castle, and of the cards they made for their teachers and carers.
"Correct" date or not, that's Christmas!
PS - quite a contrast to the gloomy Awake featuring a drunken office party and explaining that the Christmas "star" had been planted by Satan.
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Evolution Thread to continue conversation with BIOFLEX
by NewChapter inbioflex, i am starting this thread so that the other one doesn't get hijacked.
here is where you left off.
bioflex please stop talking about evolution you are off topic and your ignorance of the subject is deeply embarassing.
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Thanks for your reply, Bioflex.
A lot has already been answered, but I'll put my way anyway:
But all i am asking is, do you think over enough time those not-dogs could change extensively in their body structure as to be considered as totally different animals? like maybe goats?
As I said, the name we give a type of animal, such as "dog" is arbitrary. Given enough time, changes could indeed be so great that "not-dogs" would appear to be a completely different animal. But, careful, expert examination would still show their ancestral relationship to dogs.
My problem lies in how one species can split into two or more speices on its own. I know viruses and algae can reproduce on their own but no matter how they split all the end up producing is another of their kind.
Consider the small differences you can find in any breeding population. Then if one of these differences makes the organism stronger, tougher, or able to digest better, over time the critters that carry this trait beget more offspring. Over more time, almost the whole population has this difference, so that it's no longer a "difference". Then, a refinement on the difference appears, again one that helps survival. Round 2.
Consider also that the original population may also not have survived unchanged. It is theorised that population change happens fastest when the environment changes, which would make sense.
Can you see that after hundreds of "rounds", the two populations would be substantially different? Perhaps no longer able to interbreed?
If i am correct fishes and reptiles cant interbreed so how do you prove a fish splitting to produce a reptile without these two having any kind of sexual interferance?
Again, you are asking why the two "end result" populations cannot interbreed. Isn't this exactly what the evolutionary scenario above would cause? The theory of evolution suggests that once both fish and reptiles descended from one ancestral population. These were neither modern fish nor modern reptiles. But those in deeper water evolved the differences that helped survival there, and those in the shallows benefited, from being able to, for instance, survive short times out of water, and put weight on their fins. Caedes has explained this very well.
i find it hard to accept that natural selection or speciation can link features of a girrafe from a fish. Its like saying evolution is the reason why dogs have tails like reptiles.
The postulated common ancestor of giraffes and fish is a long way back. But although they are very different, they do have some structures in common. Most notably, a backbone. They are both vertebrates. Now if you could find a mammal-like creature without a backbone, you could cast serious doubt on the theory!
Keep asking and reading, and good luck! Retro