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abortion vs holocaust
by unstopableravens in
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2. beliefs
Retrovirus

thanks, USR.

So, what education did you have in mind? statistics and/or graphic pics?

Will the statistics be kept current with deaths and injuries from the illegal abortions once the laws have been amended (those that have been found out, anyway)? What if these show that outlawing abortions causes more suffering than before?

What support provisions should there be for families and single mums who cannot cope with children they had to birth (such as

*result of rape, mother acutely depressed and not able to bond with child

*child with acute birth defects needing intensive care

I'm guessing you would say they just have to soldier on like the rest of us if we have problems with kids. My view is that if you deprive people of choices, you also bear responsibilities for all resulting problems.

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692
abortion vs holocaust
by unstopableravens in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
Retrovirus

sorry, pressed enter by mistake,

society needs to

1. educate people about the problem

2. make most abortions illegal (boundaries to be determined)

3. implement heavy punishments for all participating in illegal abortions

4. (should pro-choice advocates also be punished?)

Is that a fair statement of your position?
692
abortion vs holocaust
by unstopableravens in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
Retrovirus

So, USR, as I understand your position:

* Abortions are horrible and far too many happen

* Very rarely abortions are justifiable, but you are not clear on these boindaries

* to address the problem, society needs to
692
abortion vs holocaust
by unstopableravens in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
Retrovirus

as far as illegal, like drugs some ppl will find a way, so possibly strict crimanal consquneces

Personally I doubt that someone desperate enough to face an illegal abortion would be deterred by threats of punishment

do you believe cocaine should be legal?

I'm not sure where you're going with this, except to illustrate the ineffectiveness of just making something illegal?
692
abortion vs holocaust
by unstopableravens in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
Retrovirus

Then who should have the authority to override the mother's wishes, and under what circumstances? If education is needed, there must be a specific message and desired outcome.
692
abortion vs holocaust
by unstopableravens in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
Retrovirus

Are you saying we should legislate against abortion? OK then, under what circumstances is it allowable, and what would be done to prevent illegal abortions?
692
abortion vs holocaust
by unstopableravens in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
Retrovirus

From USR's second post on this thread:

why are we as society not doing more?

So, USR, what "more" should we as a society do? I don't think you have addressed jgnat's suggestions?

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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses keep track of field service hours?
by Faithful Witness in
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2. beliefs
i understand that they claim to have the responsibility to preach to every corner of the earth, so they can encourage armageddon to come quickly.

(matthew 24:14 "and this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

what rationale do they have, for keeping track of their hours and literature placements?
Retrovirus

In reply to SFPW:

Faithful Witness , those verses in Matt have absolutely nothing to do with why Jehovah's Witnesses report field service time. Likewise those verses don't shed a negative light on why Circuit Overseers or Elders pay attention to the activities of active publishers in the congregation.

Rejection without a reason.

Years ago, the hours spent and the literature placed, was put on display for the whole congregation to see. If that were still the case, than MAYBE I would see how you could apply Matt 6:1-4 to what we're discussing.

So the verses DID apply?

To the contrary, field service activity recorded on time slips is submitted discreetly, and only the Elder Body, and CO have access to those numbers.

And here comes the classic Watchtower doublespeak. Does Matt 6 1:4 say "men" or "all men"? Are Elders and COs men or not? After all they are quickly identified as "imperfect men" when they slip up. . .

SFPW, you either lack logic skills or are being deliberately disingenious.

Retro

*written without a head covering :) *
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Stands For True Worship. I am turning myself in......
by DATA-DOG in
1. watchtower
2. bible
just answer this question in an honest and unbiased way, free from any circuitous reasoning or speculation.

if you do so, i swear to my heavenly father, that i will call the elders tonight and turn myself in.

any active jw may answer this question.
Retrovirus

SFPW says Truth is relative in the sense and trajectory of time.

Really? The "Truth" that the wt capitalises? The "Truth" that a baptised jw can be df'd and shunned for questioning?

SFPW, look up what truth really means. Yes, our level of understanding is limited and can and will change. But what we understand is just that. Not "truth". And especially not "Truth"!

As many have pointed out, the wt wants it both ways at once. The excuses (imperfect men, light getting brighter) and the status of dispensing "Truth".

I'd call it dishonest.

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Celebrate my first post of many :)
by Mellow in
1. jw
2. friends
hi everyone, my name is mellow (some names have been changed) lol.

as no doubt many of you were, i was born in.

i am now in my mid 20s living in a jehovah's witness household.
Retrovirus

Welcome, Mellow!

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