Well for one, I think I get it.
Make abortions illegal, blame, shame and punish all concerned in such.
Even though you have been repeatedly been shown that this will certainly increase maternal deaths and injuries from backyard abortions and will not reduce unwanted pregnancies.
This is not about saving lives, mothers or babys. this is about imposing your rules on others.
IUD = Intra Uterine Device - put in place in a health clinic and works by preventing implantation. So technically, according to your definition, "murdering" the zygote.
The thing is, with your definition, and your stance that "taking a life" is always wrong, it doesn't fit with the real world. When a doctor administers morpheine to a dying patient, technically s/he is "taking" hours or days of life, which would otherwise be intolerable suffering. So is it wrong?
You have also agreed that removing a living fetus to save a mother's life could be a non-criminal choice. So perhaps, if a fetus could be seen to be so malformed that it could only life briefly if at all, that might be another lawful "choice".
This is why it's already not a black and white issue, education, options, support all help, and coercion probably will only make bad worse.
OK. If the system needs repair - I'd say more like rebuild - we don't overload the wreckage.
So would you also outlaw the morning-after pill? the normal contraceptive pill? IUDs that prevent implantation?
thanks, USR.
So, what education did you have in mind? statistics and/or graphic pics?
Will the statistics be kept current with deaths and injuries from the illegal abortions once the laws have been amended (those that have been found out, anyway)? What if these show that outlawing abortions causes more suffering than before?
What support provisions should there be for families and single mums who cannot cope with children they had to birth (such as
*result of rape, mother acutely depressed and not able to bond with child
*child with acute birth defects needing intensive care
I'm guessing you would say they just have to soldier on like the rest of us if we have problems with kids. My view is that if you deprive people of choices, you also bear responsibilities for all resulting problems.
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sorry, pressed enter by mistake,
society needs to
1. educate people about the problem
2. make most abortions illegal (boundaries to be determined)
3. implement heavy punishments for all participating in illegal abortions
4. (should pro-choice advocates also be punished?)
Is that a fair statement of your position?
So, USR, as I understand your position:
* Abortions are horrible and far too many happen
* Very rarely abortions are justifiable, but you are not clear on these boindaries
* to address the problem, society needs to
as far as illegal, like drugs some ppl will find a way, so possibly strict crimanal consquneces
Personally I doubt that someone desperate enough to face an illegal abortion would be deterred by threats of punishment
do you believe cocaine should be legal?
I'm not sure where you're going with this, except to illustrate the ineffectiveness of just making something illegal?
Then who should have the authority to override the mother's wishes, and under what circumstances? If education is needed, there must be a specific message and desired outcome.
Are you saying we should legislate against abortion? OK then, under what circumstances is it allowable, and what would be done to prevent illegal abortions?
From USR's second post on this thread:
why are we as society not doing more?
So, USR, what "more" should we as a society do? I don't think you have addressed jgnat's suggestions?
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