Posts by Kismet

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I was allergic to the Watchtower

by professor in

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as a boy, i would suffer severe attacks of sneezing, itchy eyes, and post nasal drip when i would read the watchtower.

it was especially noticable during our family watchtower study.

i began to think it was the paper its printed on.

Kismet

Several brothers over the years in different Branches developed a sensitivity to chemicals after working in the PressRoom.

Between the solvents used and the inks themselves it is likely many suffered from residual effects when reading/handling the mags.

If you had such a sensitivity due to exposure to other chemicals etc then it is possible the mags did actually make you sick. There are many with environmental allergies that cannot read magazines, newspapers etc.

Regarding the paper used, once they upgraded the Awake from the old newsprint (crappy) paper when they switched to 4 colours all mags in North America were printed on Fraser White Bond paper.

I have never done any research as to their bleaching techniques but if that is useful then ... great!

Kismet

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Greenlees & Chitty -- Some Sources

by AlanF in

posted on an email message board:.

posted recently to the h2o message board:.

Kismet

Alan:

I find it curious that you have not included any of the comments and eye witness testimony I have given you regarding the ancilliary players you used to substantiate the claims.

Personally I have no doubt about Greenlees and Ed Chitty (no relation to the Chitty now at the Canadian branch). I too heard the whispers and innuendoes in the Hallways of bethel. My leaning is that there is truth to the speculations. That being said, I have a problem with the witch hunt tactics being used to accuse others associated with them. Guilty by association? Sheesh thats a JDub tactic isn't it? McCarthy did the same thing.

In the past and even as recently as yesterday I have provided you with testimonial evidence by either my own first hand experience or based on those close to the people you mentioned. Such as comments from Percy Chapman's widow, I have provided detailed information regarding Lorne Bridal (the good looking young man you later committed suicide) that I gleaned from knowing the man while growing up in Richmond Hill and later dating his daughter. I posted this to you at H20 and recall having a conversation with you in that regard in that thread.

I just find it very self serving for you to present all the negatives without providing others with the balancing information also provided to you. Any other comments you aren't telling the Board about?

I am disappointed. Normally your presentations of information are more balanced and objective.

Kismet

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Leo Greenlees,

by Kiwi in

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i seem to remember something on the board about leo greenlees being removed from bethel & the gb.

can anyone give me information about this.

is he still allive and where?

Kismet

Ralph Brodie is still a member of the Bethel Family in Canada.

He vowed singleness early on in his JW career. He claims to be of the anointed class.

He is a charactor and a half. For the most part he is a angry old man who carries much bitterness. He has been the mailman at Bethel for many years and looked to with humour as opposed to much respect.

I knew him well and was one fo the few younger bethelites he befriended. "Can't be bothered with most of those upstarts". He regularly stopped by my desk for coffee.

I never saw any indication of homosexual leanings. As an avowed homophobe while a JW I would certainly pick up on "weird" vibes as I did from some others there. I can say with much certainty, he did not lean towards men sexually and he disliked (annoyed by) children so there wasn't much affection there either.

Last I heard he was still alive and the housekeepers still cleaning the olive oil off the wall that he used to keep his hair greased properly.... shudder.

As a general comment I must say that specualtion and rumour are wonderful tools of those on a witch hunt. Many of these accused are either dead or near death. They certainly are not going to be coming online to disprove the allegations.

I guess I just find the innuendo and witch hunt tactics distasteful. Perhaps it is because I knew most of the people personally that it bothers me more than if you spoke of complete strangers. It is easy to hate an enemy you have never seen.

Kismet

2

scuba diving

by gotcha in

any divers around?

Kismet

Yeppers.

I've been diving for about 5 years.

Fresh water mostly with some Carribean experience.

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Congrats to the Penguins

by Kismet in

after a hard fought 7 game series, the penguins showed their passion and their heart winning in overtime against buffalo.. as a disappointed fan in my own team who "choked" yet again (grrrrr) i tip my hat (and mug of beer) in honor of those teams advancing to the next round.. kismet

Kismet

After a hard fought 7 game series, the Penguins showed their passion and their heart winning in Overtime against Buffalo.

As a disappointed fan in my own team who "choked" yet again (grrrrr) I tip my hat (and mug of beer) in honor of those teams advancing to the next round.

Kismet

13

Need advice

by hybridous in

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my 17 year old brother is a model witness for the local congregation.

he's been baptized for a couple of years now.

my jw mom is quite liberal...she has allowed us kids to play sports, be in school plays...etc.

Kismet

I am sure your brother would be so relieved to hear you say "I understand I've been there."

Tell him that he and his GF are welcome to come by for dinner or just to hang at your place and a "don't worry this stays between us" comment would be good too.

Give him the opportunity to figure out what he wants to do. if he asks questions help him out. Be a friend, not a nagging tattle tale of a sister.

As a side comment, if he is so afraid to talk to you, it appears to me that he isnt the only one acting in a certain way in front of family members.

Kismet

11

The much hated W Salter.

by Norm in

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1939, page 115.. .

1939, page 116.. .

Kismet

Interesting how the facts about Salter are so quickly forgotten.

Salter not only was a power hungry selfish man but when he left the Canadian Bethel he also took with him a couple of properties deeded to the Society by faithful JW's. To top it off he ran off with his secretary (not his wife).

So while the whole Achan class thing was a huge stretch (Rutherford was as power hungry BTW) let's not waste too much sad feelings for a thief and adulterer.

I don't hate the man but I have no respect for him either. I got to know Laura French (Mentioned in the article above). For years she was a Salter supporter until he got carried away talking about becoming the next president etc. She almost lost everything as a result of her one time friendship with him. He didn't give her or others like her a second thought when he ran away.

Also to clarify Joseph's comment, Percy was replaced as Branch Coordinator but continued serving at Bethel till his death. His widow is still there (unless she has passed away recently). As far as wondering eyes that has never been proven. It has always been the dark rumors that have floated through the ex-jw realms for years.

Hope the above helps.

Kismet

17

WT using Satan`s courts again

by JWD in

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i never cease to be amazed at the blatant double standard the org.has.

toward satan`s world.while condemning it on the one hand,they seem to.

have no reservations about using it fully when it seems advantagous.. let me pass along two recent court cases here in japan.

Kismet

Clarification time.

Does waiting on Jehovah mean doing nothing to better one's circumstances? The Society has said no. Jehovah blesses actions. The Society views legal actions in that light. We are taking action to better a situation. If jehovah so decides, we will win. (Note I said Society views not "I" view)

While we may view it as hypocritical, the Society has very carefully constructed scriptural principles to fall back on..i.e the earth opening up swallowing up those persecuting God's people= earthly governments swallowing up those who persecute jw's. Revelations

I do think that it would be hypocritical on OUR part to only insist that JW's should not have access to legal recourse. Personally I'd love to see all religions stripped of their status. Encourage individual spirituality but organized religion in all its forms should be removed.

Francoise:

People can be restrained, even instutionalized, if they are found to be a danger to themselves or others. This woman in Japan was manifestly a danger to herself, and to any one else she could control. As such the pastor was right.

Who the hell is this pastor to make that kind of decision. In order for anyoen to be restrained or institutionalized it requires the EXPERT opinion of medical professionals not the angst of some other hypocritical religious leader. It was kidnapping and forceable confinement regardless of any spin anyone wants to put on it.

Bluesapphire:

I agree there is a double standard that exists within the org. But I think at times ex-jw's also hold a double standard, on for the WTBS and another for all other religions. I think all should be held equally accountable.

So for general discussion should the Society:

A) not use the courts in any fashion to defend the rights of their adherents?

or

B) fight for the same rights accorded to other religious groups?

or

C) Use the courts only when life threatening issues arise?

or

d) other, please explain.

Kismet - trying to maintain a balanced perspective.

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WT using Satan`s courts again

by JWD in

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i never cease to be amazed at the blatant double standard the org.has.

toward satan`s world.while condemning it on the one hand,they seem to.

have no reservations about using it fully when it seems advantagous.. let me pass along two recent court cases here in japan.

Kismet

So from your post you feel it is perfectly acceptable to:

1. Take away the choice of medical treatment away from individuals?

and,

2. Perfectly acceptable to hold a woman against her will for two days?

While I disagree with the WTBS stand on blood I do vehemently agree that every one has the right to make decisions for themselves. My problem on blood & JW's is that the average JW does not understand clearly their options as to what is acceptable (conscience matter) but instead blindly say "No blood". But that does not give physicians carte blanche to ignore the stated wish of a patient.

The baptist pastor deserved to be found guilty as did the husband. I understand the concern but do not condone kidnapping and forceable confinement to be an acceptable way of dealing with that frustration.

Good on the courts.

As far as the Society using the courts that they declare to be controlled by Satan (all gov't and their agencies etc). It is my belief that it would be unreasonable on our part to expect teh Society not to avail itself of such services to correct any injustice. One might say "Wait on Jehovah" but then we would use that as proof how unrealistic the Society is. I would rather they fight for the rights of their members then callously ignore the abuse of their people's as they have in the past. Hypocritical perhaps but of the two options it makes the better sense.

Kismet

33

The difference between a JW and an IDIOT

by Focus in

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Kismet

I'll give you points for that comeback Focus. LOL

Technically you are correct in that your original title was an incomplete sentence without punctuation at the end.

Thus in order for questioning or inquisitive minds to satisfy their questionings they had to open your thread to determine the remainder of the statement.

Since it was intended to cause questions with the anticipated result being the opening of your thread, the incomplete sentence could loosely be referred to as a question or a leading statement

I should have known to be more specific with you. You are too much like Friend then you may care to admit.

Kismet