so i've been trying to slowly fade away, just going to meetings on sundays, and even then its been hit and miss.
i figure the daniel book is a write off with 607 figuring prominently along with all the "fulfillments" based on it, and since i'm not going out in service, the tms/sm is a waste of time.. even sundays play out like a broken record, the wt study articles show no sign of real change, but a clinging to power and a re-defining of wt history.
the public talks are sheer fantasy.. the sad thing is, i like the people, and perhaps even the concept is attractive.
Seven and Red Horse Woman
I will be in that area around the US Thanksgiving. You guarantee you will be there and I will buy dinner for the two of you whether at Sala's or whatever restaurant you choose.
RedhorseWoman - I'd say invite your daughter but she is (alas) too young. smirk nut that doesn't mean I won't clean your stable as long as I can get a ride in there somewhere
Deal?
so i've been trying to slowly fade away, just going to meetings on sundays, and even then its been hit and miss.
i figure the daniel book is a write off with 607 figuring prominently along with all the "fulfillments" based on it, and since i'm not going out in service, the tms/sm is a waste of time.. even sundays play out like a broken record, the wt study articles show no sign of real change, but a clinging to power and a re-defining of wt history.
the public talks are sheer fantasy.. the sad thing is, i like the people, and perhaps even the concept is attractive.
Seven:
Thanks for the link. Labour Day is coming up and it just isn't the same without fresh seafood!
I am going to be a very happy lil camper!
Kismet - already salivating over the thought of stuffed quahogs and lobster!! YUMMMMM
so i've been trying to slowly fade away, just going to meetings on sundays, and even then its been hit and miss.
i figure the daniel book is a write off with 607 figuring prominently along with all the "fulfillments" based on it, and since i'm not going out in service, the tms/sm is a waste of time.. even sundays play out like a broken record, the wt study articles show no sign of real change, but a clinging to power and a re-defining of wt history.
the public talks are sheer fantasy.. the sad thing is, i like the people, and perhaps even the concept is attractive.
I thought it appropriate to be from there. After most of my puns all I hear is "ohhhhh man!!"
I like the Yak part but have had abominable problems with the Yeti. Ya just never know we may take you up on that offer!
And yah I'll just hop on my private Lear and skip on over to Perth for the day. woohoo!! sigh - I wish.
Edited by - Kismet on 8 August 2000 12:7:14
so i've been trying to slowly fade away, just going to meetings on sundays, and even then its been hit and miss.
i figure the daniel book is a write off with 607 figuring prominently along with all the "fulfillments" based on it, and since i'm not going out in service, the tms/sm is a waste of time.. even sundays play out like a broken record, the wt study articles show no sign of real change, but a clinging to power and a re-defining of wt history.
the public talks are sheer fantasy.. the sad thing is, i like the people, and perhaps even the concept is attractive.
Path:
I remember the feelings well.
Drop me a line
We'll go grab a pint or two and share stories.
Kismet
Edited by - Kismet on 8 August 2000 23:25:35
as i have posted previously i am inactive but have disappeared from the ranks quietly.
my jw family know nothing of my departure from the org except that i am not as "zealous" as i once was for the org.. here's the dilemna, my sister's mother in law (a jw) is dying of cancer.
(the docs say she could go today, this week, in two weeks..they just don't know) she is a phenomenal caring person and has always been a kind gentle soul with all she has met.
Hey Roaming Catlady:
Good thoughts and they echo those that I have been thinking.
Glad to see we are of the same mind...again.
How's the visit going?
as i have posted previously i am inactive but have disappeared from the ranks quietly.
my jw family know nothing of my departure from the org except that i am not as "zealous" as i once was for the org.. here's the dilemna, my sister's mother in law (a jw) is dying of cancer.
(the docs say she could go today, this week, in two weeks..they just don't know) she is a phenomenal caring person and has always been a kind gentle soul with all she has met.
Seven I understand completely.
I will double check the number I tried at home. Last I checked I was still awaiting authorization.
I'll try again (if that is okay of course.)
as i have posted previously i am inactive but have disappeared from the ranks quietly.
my jw family know nothing of my departure from the org except that i am not as "zealous" as i once was for the org.. here's the dilemna, my sister's mother in law (a jw) is dying of cancer.
(the docs say she could go today, this week, in two weeks..they just don't know) she is a phenomenal caring person and has always been a kind gentle soul with all she has met.
Thank you all for your comments.
Friend:
No-one knows about my activities or my inactivity. As far as the elders are concerned I am still a brother in good standing. And yes the rest of the family thought it was a good idea that I close the memorial service in prayer.
Seven, RHW, Simon, PathofThorns, Waiting and SS:
A sincere thank you. I gave serious thought to your comments and suggestions and have formulated a prayer that I can say and not feel like a hypocrite. I was asked to do this as a close friend not because of religious persuasion nor for current title held. I might be more apt to say no if she was asking thinking I was still an elder but she knows that I stepped aside years ago.
Hopefully I won't have to do it any time soon but am clearer as to what my response will be.
Thanks for letting me use you as a sounding board and for your support and comments.
Kismet
PS - Seven check your ICQ once in a while would ya?!?!? [8>]
Edited by - Kismet on 2 August 2000 8:50:49
as i have posted previously i am inactive but have disappeared from the ranks quietly.
my jw family know nothing of my departure from the org except that i am not as "zealous" as i once was for the org.. here's the dilemna, my sister's mother in law (a jw) is dying of cancer.
(the docs say she could go today, this week, in two weeks..they just don't know) she is a phenomenal caring person and has always been a kind gentle soul with all she has met.
As I have posted previously I am inactive but have disappeared from the ranks quietly. My JW family know nothing of my departure from the Org except that I am not as "zealous" as I once was for the Org.
Here's the dilemna, my sister's mother in law (a JW) is dying of cancer. (The docs say she could go today, this week, in two weeks..they just don't know) She is a phenomenal caring person and has always been a kind gentle soul with all she has met. Truly a gem. While visiting her at the hospital yesterday she mentioned that she wants me to say the prayer at her funeral.
Aside from the morbidity of speaking with someone about their own funeral I was unnerved. I am an active opposer of the religion. Now I am being asked to say a prayer in a Kingdom Hall as if I am still in good standing.
I responded that I am sure one of the elders in the Hall would be better suited than me to do this, but she insisted that I am as close as family without actually being part of it and that she has always respected me and it would make her happy to know I was going to do this.
So when she dies, do I do this. Does it make me a hypocrite if I do knowing full well that if people knew of my online activities I would not even be welcome nevermind say a prayer.
If I admit that I am no longer a JW it would crush this poor lady.
I could just say no but again would hurt her feelings. I could wait till she has died and then bow out of the duty.
Any way I am considering all options right now and would be interested in your thoughts.
Thanks
Kinda like the person who just bought a new computer.
Was dutifully following instructions:
Type in Your Name.
Return.
Type in company Name:
Return.
S/He took it back to the store twice.
i am sure most of you have seen the following quote form the wbts's pr site:.
"do you shun former members?.
those who simply cease to be involved in the faith are not shunned.
(I apologize in advance if my format attempt fails)
Friend:
What you have represented here is that I employ the argument of irrelevant conclusion. I would very much like an example my doing so to be pointed out.
From this thread actually is case in point.
Your representation that a “Bethel Elder” had fingers waved in his face along with other overt and public displays of criticism sounds like embellishment has been introduced into a incident. If that part of the story is embellished then maybe other parts are too, like the actual reaction of those publishers.
You isolated minutia and attempted to use that to infer that the rest of the story was embellished or of little merit. However in the above referenced case it was an assumption of error on your part and not a factual error.
Might I suggest that if you want to discuss logic/arguments we start another thread so as to not side-track this one?
I leave that to you.
A la prochaine, mon ami.
Kismet
Edited by - Kismet on 24 July 2000 13:39:43
Edited by - Kismet on 24 July 2000 13:41:0
