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  Tit for Tat with jwfacts Youtube yahoo

  by sooner7nc in

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  2. bible

  here's how it started.

  i'm in bold italics.. .

  jw truth"why don't you refuse "blood fractions" which are derived from whole blood?

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  This is the video where I burned my blood card: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwGpsgiSHsg
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  Tit for Tat with jwfacts Youtube yahoo

  by sooner7nc in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here's how it started.

  i'm in bold italics.. .

  jw truth"why don't you refuse "blood fractions" which are derived from whole blood?

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  This idiot posted on my youtube channel. I guess burning my blood card for the camera must have set him off.
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  They don't even know their own doctrines...

  by Leto in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i had an interesting exchange on facebook with some random jw's on the april auxillary piosneering page.

  seems they don't realize that the watchtower has set itself up as the mediator between the great crowd and jesus.

  i post multiple watchtowers that outright say that "jesus is not mediator towards all mankind, but only 'spiritual israel', or the 144,000...".

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  What is so weird, and really a fine example of the mind control these people are under is how the exchange went.

  Yesterday he denied that the Watchtower was mediator, and said that there was only one mediator for all, Jesus.

  When I sent him the documentation saying otherwise, he did an about face and started towing the Watchtower line, defending the doctrine of the 144k being mediator for the Great Crowd.

  I guess he got some "new light".
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  They don't even know their own doctrines...

  by Leto in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i had an interesting exchange on facebook with some random jw's on the april auxillary piosneering page.

  seems they don't realize that the watchtower has set itself up as the mediator between the great crowd and jesus.

  i post multiple watchtowers that outright say that "jesus is not mediator towards all mankind, but only 'spiritual israel', or the 144,000...".

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  I had an interesting exchange on facebook with some random JW's on the April auxillary piosneering page. Seems they don't realize that the Watchtower has set itself up as the mediator between the great crowd and Jesus. I post multiple Watchtowers that outright say that "Jesus is not mediator towards ALL mankind, but only 'spiritual israel', or the 144,000..."

  While the Watchtower doesn't come RIGHT out and name itself the "MEDIATOR" for the Great Crowd, they do say that the Great Crowd's hope for salvation rests on their "association" with the 144k. Governing Body=144k. So the official pecking order for rank & file to get to God is through some class of humans. They are saying it without coming out and directly saying it.

  Hmmm I could have sworn the bible directly contradicts that line of "thought", because it says pretty plainly that Jesus is the mediator for "all" men. But I might be mistaken. No...I looked it up, that's exactly what it says. But I thought they took everything from the bible? Nawwww....

  What is telling is that the JW's still disagreed with me, that somehow the Watchtower articles didn't say that, and I am just "reading too deeply" into what is being said.
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  It is truly a "Dog & Pony" Show !

  by Pitchess Co-Gen in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my bother ( who i don't really talk too because of a different issue with him ) and i got disfellowshipped on the same day ( 2/28/09 ).

  ive been pretty inconstant when it comes to meeting attendance ( i haven't been in more than six months ), while ever sence my brother and his wife had a baby he's been super regular at the meeting ( nine months straight without missing one meeting !).

  when he turned in his reinstatement letter ( by the way he moved to a new congregation ).

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  I guess what it boils down to is yet another blatant example of how this organization is not "spirit directed". Actually I am willing to conceed that it is certainly "spirit directed"- just not Christ's spirit. Guess who.
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  It is truly a "Dog & Pony" Show !

  by Pitchess Co-Gen in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my bother ( who i don't really talk too because of a different issue with him ) and i got disfellowshipped on the same day ( 2/28/09 ).

  ive been pretty inconstant when it comes to meeting attendance ( i haven't been in more than six months ), while ever sence my brother and his wife had a baby he's been super regular at the meeting ( nine months straight without missing one meeting !).

  when he turned in his reinstatement letter ( by the way he moved to a new congregation ).

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  All I see is inconsistant inconsitancies. My ex-girlfriend that I got d/f'ed over years ago had previously been disfellowshipped- for an entire 3 months before being let back in.

  A friend of mine recently got reinstated after her mother lobbied on her behalf. She hadn't even been to a meeting in six months. I suppose her mom must have known where some of the bodies are buried or something for that to have happened.
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  Finished Mystery (1917)... The book that Jesus approved...

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so a few months ago, a friend sent me an actual copy of finished mystery which was published in 1917 (not a pdf download... the actual book).

  i must say, this was the most disturbing book i have ever had the displeasure of reading.

  but i only read it because this was the main publication that was being distributed worldwide when jesus supposedly chose the watchtower in 1918 and i basically wanted to see for myself what jesus saw in the wt that would compel him to choose this religious corporation over all other religious denominations.. anyway, if anyone is interested in knowing the actual contents of this book, here are some bullet points i put together from some of the notes i took as i read the book:.

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  But.....But the light gets brighter!
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  Bethel Entrants' School Lecture 5-L

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  bethel entrants' school lecture 5-l. .

  the watchtower organization requires that all new full-time workers at its world headquarters or other facilities attend an entrant school.

  attendees are provided worksheets that are outlines for lectures at these events.

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  That's just sickening.
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  "Oh but there is the resurrection!"

  by Leto in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just thought i'd share what came out of the mouth of a local elder a few months ago.. it all started when they ignored our "no tresspassing" sign, and drove up our rural driveway as part of their cult recruiting ritual, or the "bothering work" as my dad calls it.

  i told him that the witlesses fly the flag of "we only believe in the bible", but that simply put, the watchtower blatantly ignores all sorts of scripture.

  he looked at me funny, and i used the example of the great crowd.

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  I'm sure that the thought of the resurrection is what comforted parents and helped them to "draw close to Jehovah" in 1980 when the rules were changed, and their children had died needlessly.

  I lost my grandmother prematurely over the blood issue. She died alone because of the Watchtower.
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  "Oh but there is the resurrection!"

  by Leto in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just thought i'd share what came out of the mouth of a local elder a few months ago.. it all started when they ignored our "no tresspassing" sign, and drove up our rural driveway as part of their cult recruiting ritual, or the "bothering work" as my dad calls it.

  i told him that the witlesses fly the flag of "we only believe in the bible", but that simply put, the watchtower blatantly ignores all sorts of scripture.

  he looked at me funny, and i used the example of the great crowd.

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  Just thought I'd share what came out of the mouth of a local elder a few months ago.

  It all started when they ignored our "no tresspassing" sign, and drove up our rural driveway as part of their cult recruiting ritual, or the "bothering work" as my dad calls it. I told him that the Witlesses fly the flag of "we only believe in the bible", but that simply put, the Watchtower blatantly ignores all sorts of scripture. He looked at me funny, and I used the example of the Great Crowd. I asked him where the great crowd was in Revelation and he of course says on earth. I said, well theres a perfect example, because the bible clearly says the great crowd is in heaven. He looked at me strange, and with a sneer he handed me his bible and said "Show me". So I did. He proceeds to say that the great crowd couldn't have been in heaven because we're promised a paradise earth. To that I told him those two ideas aren't necessarily conflicting ones, as I know of Christians who look forward to the earth being a paradise. He went off into a tirade, and I stopped him and asked him if getting any of these details right have anything to do with our salvation? He said "Well, no." So then I asked him why we would even worry about it, much less argue about stuff like that. I was trying to get him to think.
  
  I then told him that the Watchtower directly contradicts Jesus' own words with pretty much everything they do and say. I turned to Mark 29 and read him the account of the apostles telling a man to stop driving out demons in Jesus' name. They told Jesus that they did that because the man "wasn't with them"...Instead of patting the apostles on the head and saying "well done", Jesus told them NOT to do that, because whoever isn't against us- is for us. I told the Witless that we both know the Watchtower judges every other group besides itself as satanic, so why would they do that when Jesus himself basically said not to be judging others as to who has God's favor? He just stuttered and had nothing to say.
  
  We continued to talk about other things. I told him the Watchtower joined the United Nations. "I don't believe that." He said. I told him it's well documented on the UN's website, and that he doesn't have to take my word for it.
  
  He also didn't believe that voting was now a conscience issue.
  
  We also talked about the horrible medical advice, no vaccinations, organ transplants, etc. I asked him if this was GOD's organization, if I lived back in '78 and my little girl needed a kidney transplant- that in order to be "Loyal to Jehovah" (and I used air quotes when speaking to him) that she would have to die a slow horrible death of renal failure. But then in 1980 it would have been a conscience issue!?
  
  His reply?
  
  "But there would be the resurrection."
  
  I just stared at him in disbelief, and told him to "Listen to what you are saying man!" Life is more precious than that!
  
  "...But it wouldn't matter, because there would be the resurrection."
  
  I said "But, what if there really isn't? Then what did these people die for?"
  
  He promptly made tracks out of there after that exchange. I talked to him for almost 45 minutes. It reinforced to me the fact that Witlesses are indeed brainwashed and have immense difficulty thinking for themselves. He was a nice enough guy, I would talk to him again. It just makes me sad that the cult can prey on seemingly decent people like that.
  
  My wife talked to the guy before I did, and she told me he started saying that only the Witlesses go out there and preach "the good neuz, unlike Churches where the people just show up on sunday." My wife asked him if he had ever been to a Christian church. He said no. She told him that he really offended her by saying such a thing. She told him about all the different outreach programs and missionary's our churches support, so for him to say such a thing was "highly ignorant".

  This encounter with the JW underlined to me first hand just how much they value life. It's certainly is a dangerous cult.