70 yrs.? At what point does it become harrassment???
@iclone. No, seriously, Who is the article supposed to be about? One of the GB?
wtf?
i thought no way they'd name an article that.
wow.
70 yrs.? At what point does it become harrassment???
@iclone. No, seriously, Who is the article supposed to be about? One of the GB?
i am just curious, there are tonnes of information about the wt and the stories of its hypocrisies in the internet.
are they aware of all these?
or they just obediently go to the www.watchtower.org only, and never feel curious enough to click on other link that mentions about jw, wt etc.....
Yeah, so true darth frosty. I would be gripped with fear to click on anything with Jehovah's Witness in the title.
It took my family leaving to make me say, "what the hell?" and go ahead and look. I had to know what they knew and happily, well...the rest is history.
check this paragraph from the article about how jah spared noah, the israelites at the red sea, etc.... scary!.
pg 26 para 16. as events unfold during the great.
tribulation, christians will need to heed.
So many meetings growing up were spent imagining shit like this with me saving everyone in my hall.
ok.. you 70 plus bethelite members.... this is your chance to share stories!
inquiring minds want to know !no full names please..follow t.o.s.
to avoid borg libel lawsuits).. i will start the ball rolling with week one.
I think without a doubt, the mandatory "finger probe" prostate exam done to all "new boys" during their physicals.
I think it was a sick twist to gain psychological control. I've had physicals my whole life for work, school, hospital stays and that was the only place that required it.
How many 19 yr olds are in danger of enlarged prostates?
i received the following email from a former jw that i thought to share.
note: i retyped the boe letter that was sent from the christian congregation of jehovahs witnesses to all congregations in the us.
the letter is authentic.
@ CLARITY- that part at the end of your post about the gold and jewelry rang a loud bell in my head. I can verify, because my neighbor is one of the guys who liquidates estates for the Society and I've seen the stuff they send him, it's ridiculous. The last time I was there for a visit, we were looking at boxes of coins, gold, silver dollars, etc. that a childless older couple who had died about two years ago, I think her then he finally, had left ALL to the Society along with their entire property in a rather rich area near me. Amazing, then I got to thinking about the Rutherford days and the "counsel" or direction to leave the child raising until the "new system of things." Since then, you've got frugal, older couples who never had children for the sake of the kingdom and now who is going to receive all of the worldly goods? Bethel! to try and ensure their place in the paradise. Wow.
many posts here often include parodies of theocratic words.
below are some examples:.
borganisation - organisation!.
Theo-crazy= theocracy
there was an error on the latest awake!
cover.
here is the correct version.. .
Haha, that is so funny. My wife just finished reading The Greatest Show on Earth, it's actually on our kitchen table right now. I was amazed by chapter one where the author differentiates the two definitions of a theory. During all those book studies we were taught that evolution was just a theory- yeah, by definition number one, though books like the Creation book wrote under the assumption of number two.
They loved to quote that "Yes, it is agreed that evolution is a theory." from some source, but leave out the fact that it is an established theory among scientists.
1. theory- a theorem, really, an established body of principles to explain something in our universe. i.e. the heliocentric theory- that the sun is the center of our solar system.
2. theory- a hypothesis, something still proposed.
The society quote-mines all of the time from scientists which makes it sound like they are saying things like that the fossil record is inconclusive, etc. What scientists like Dawkins are saying is that the fossil record is nice, but it is not necessary to prove evolution: each living thing bears the stamp of its kinship to everything else in its DNA.
hey all does anyone here remember the story of the gibeonites and joshua?
remember how they pretended to be from far away;but really weren't to curry favour with josh and the boys?
then josh had to let them in since he gave his word?
And another thing, that story used to piss me off so much because everyone else who was guilty of a little untruth or stealing a frickin' gold bar got pelted with rocks, but all of a sudden here is a story out of nowhere that we're all supposed to nod and hmmm....scratch our chins thoughtfully, yes isn't Jehovah a loving god....uhhh. NO! inside I really am thinking what a freaking arbitrary, unpredictable god.
hey all does anyone here remember the story of the gibeonites and joshua?
remember how they pretended to be from far away;but really weren't to curry favour with josh and the boys?
then josh had to let them in since he gave his word?
Oh yeah.. they take any account from the bible to make a connection no matter how irrelevant to show the dependency of the great crowd on the coattails of the anointed.
They were starting it back in the early 1900's by saying the great crowd were 'lesser faithful' ones destined to live on earth, or something like that, right?
Wow, pretty amazing stories, nice picture of your family Magwitch, nice to see real people with post.
It's incredible where the 'lights came on' for others who were just observing your departure. I fantasized about that happening in our cases but so far no word has gotten back but time may tell.
To Nickolas: I guess the common factor in our family was love and trust in each other, always. All of us kids always knew that our parents were the 'real deal' in the sense that we trusted their sensibility about things that touched us personally. We shared the same struggles. Like Desirous of Change mentioned, after being really a 'model' Jw family for 25 yrs. it took a bizarre and arbitrary disfellowshipping ruling on our youngest sister to cause my mom to turn outside , i.e the internet, for some answers. For six months she held it in, slowly gathering information, while supporting my dad as usual. Then she slowly started to drop hints to my brother about not necessarily 'having' to do things. What would happen if we stopped? During the whole time, we would always talk to each other like about our daily struggles to keep up the routines, etc. The difference was that none of us dared 'think' the unthinkable! that it wasn't real to begin with! Anyway, then she and my dad went through some tense, anxious weeks where she slowly revealed some things like UN to my dad and he freaked out, threatened to take her to the elders. (What else?) So over weeks, he began to realize that she was right. She was emailing the people at the UN to verify, the whole time holding out hope that it was somehow all a big ploy to discredit the society. (That's how engrained we were)
So, then, it took from fall of 2009 to about spring of 2011 for all of us to leave, I could write here all afternoon about the hows and whys of it all. maybe I will later on. I just know that the transition for myself went from considering provocative questions about the society, to reading Cult Mind Control, to reading and looking up bogus/odd literature points revealed on the internet, and finally reading Crisis. Still in all, it took me an entire year to make a complete separation.
Unfortunately, from the KH perspective, it all seems to make sense: the apostate family is now all split apart. To sum up: mom and dad are not together, 2 of my sisters are divorced from their still-in husbands, and my brother's wife just went kind of nuts and left him, sadly. However, it is for the fact that all of us are having to face real life for the first time and are no longer on the artificial life support of the society. Still in all, each of us is happier truly than ever before, just being able to be free from control.
I and my brother especially have difficulty seeing it as a better reality sometimes than before. We kind of hold onto the idealized family that we had, although it is only a notion. The reality was that it was damaging to each of us in various ways while appearing to be ideal. It is still hard for me to get that but it is sinking in.
Well, I digress a bit, but hey, you know.