Tim207 - "Why wasn’t Judah punished for sleeping with Tamar?"
Because she wasn't married (anymore)...
...therefore, he hadn't committed theft/vandalism of another man's "property".
Posts by Vidiot
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19Ancient Hebrews Got Away With So Much
by Tim207 inwhy wasn’t judah punished for sleeping withtamar?
even though she had the legal right to an offspring by his family he still thought he was sleeping with a prostitute.
if it is wrong to even think of having relations with a woman similar to the “sin” of watching pornography why wouldn’t what judah did be wrong?
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Michael Palin: North Korea - Similarities In N.Korean and JW Mentality
by pale.emperor indid anyone catch michael palin's travel documentary in north korea?
it was a fascinating insight into such a secretive and controlled country.
totalitarian, suppressed and yet i found a few similarities to jw mentality.. particularly, this segment, where michael asks his handler about the limitations on freedom she has.
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Phizzy - "...'Totalitarian' and 'Authoritarian' are almost synonyms, but the merely Authoritarian State is more open to reform. The Totalitarian State (or cult/religion) tries, and often succeeds, vampire like, to change the mind and very soul of the person..."
Yup, pretty much.
I would argue that the former isn't quite as open to change as you suggest, but other than that, yeah...
...an authoritarian state doesn't really give a shit what you think, as long as you do what you're told.
A totalitarian state wants you to completely subservient to it, and to remake you in its image, which is way fucking scarier.
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Michael Palin: North Korea - Similarities In N.Korean and JW Mentality
by pale.emperor indid anyone catch michael palin's travel documentary in north korea?
it was a fascinating insight into such a secretive and controlled country.
totalitarian, suppressed and yet i found a few similarities to jw mentality.. particularly, this segment, where michael asks his handler about the limitations on freedom she has.
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pale.emperor - "Eerily similar to JWs view of the governing body, I think."
Ditto.
I've lost count of how many times I've heard a JW loyalist talk as though they and the GB are - effectively - the same...
...i.e., the GB doesn't like something, therefore the rank-and-file doesn't like something.
Honestly, I think some of them aren't even aware they're doing it.
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Two kingdom halls up for sale in our area
by Still Totally ADD indriving by a kh yesterday we saw a for sale sign in front of the building.
it's on a beautiful piece of property off a main road outside the city limits.
the building can be no more than 10 years old and is very beautiful.
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alanv - "They may be selling off loads of Kingdom Halls, but Im sure they will building new ones as well."
Have they announced them?
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have you heard anything ?
by lancelink ini was a witness from grade school ( 1976) until 2007. i seem to remember an important aspect that was always talked about at the hall as being a fact.they would say that "the rocks themselves would cry out" if the public preaching work was to stop,,,,, all i've seen and heard these past few months are the witnesses complaining about the witnessing work coming to a halt.but i've not heard one rock crying .. .
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Funny...
...thought that in the Last Days, the love of the greater number was supposed to cool off.
I'm confused.
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Dutch judge rules that elders are not entitled to hide behind clergy-penitent privilege
by Anders Andersen intoday a dutch judge ruled that jw elders and the jw branch cannot invoke clergy-penitent privilege when it comes to information used in a judicial committee.. jw had filed a complaint with the courts because the branch office, two kingdom halls and a few elders' homes were raided by police almost 2 years ago in search of evidence related to child abuse issues.. jw argued that the information that was taken by police is protected by clergy-penitent privilege.
today the judge ruled that 1) an organization doesn't haven't such a privilege, 2) jw elders don't always act as spiritual counselors.
their actions as judges in judicial committees aren't protected by privilege, and 3) conversations jw have with their elders are often not confidential at all (as per jw policy) so jw elders can't rightfully invoke clergy-penitent privilege to maintain absolute confidentiality, because there isn't absolute confidentiality in the first place.. jw are thinking about appealing the verdict..
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smiddy3 - "I wish more judges would come to the same conclusions..."
Pretty sure it's coming, bit by bit.
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This is not even close to the cult I grew up in
by phoenixrising ini was watching some of the may jw cult broadcast.
this push to be a movie studio and other things makes this cult seem like something else entirely from what i grew up in.
they really are trying to use anything they can to hook suckers into being cult members.
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Phizzy - "Cash flow may become a problem."
Pretty sure it already is.
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Two kingdom halls up for sale in our area
by Still Totally ADD indriving by a kh yesterday we saw a for sale sign in front of the building.
it's on a beautiful piece of property off a main road outside the city limits.
the building can be no more than 10 years old and is very beautiful.
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What?
No announcements on new construction?
How strange.
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Watchtower admits false prophesy in Court of Law!
by digderidoo ina false prophesy was promulgated?
q. it had to be accepted by jehovah's witnesses?
q. error?
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@ dropoffyourkeylee...
Damn, I think you've nailed it.
Every aspect of the religion they overhauled was to get officially recognized church status (whilst, ironically, disdaining the "church" label, internally).
One thing though...
...I think the sweet siren call of tax exemption was the primary motivating factor.
The fact that they bend over so far backwards to keep it should be all the proof anyone needs, IMO.
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The Motive of the Governing Body
by jwfacts ini have been quiet of late, developing other interests, happy that there are a whole group of people producing great resources.
however, i found some old emails from ray franz that promoted me to write an article that answers a question i regularly receive.
it is in regards to the motive of governing body members.
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Half banana - "...all at HQ seem wedded to the concept of a divine rightness of The Organisation. In the minds of the GB and through their historical activity going back to Rutherford, it seems to me that they have sacralised the organisation (exactly as they do the Bible) to cultivate it as the product of God's hand..."
Indeed.
From Rutherford's time, a key aspect of the WTS's survival was perceiving itself that way - for two fundamental reasons...
a) ...that personal certainty enabled them to project it outward convincingly to disgruntled Christians looking for an alternative to the perceived "liberalization" of their churches, who then became the Org's newest and most active recruits, and...
b) ...to keep said recruits and justify the growth they engendered, the Org was compelled to further push the "God's Exclusive Earthly Organization" rhetoric, by effectively de-legitimizing the legitimacy of any other religion...
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...running the risk of the same for the WTS if those members ever realized said rhetoric was untrue.
As a result (from their POV), they have to either...
a) ...remain Captive to the Concept, or...
b) ...admit the WTS is a "false religion" and exit, with all inherent loss involved, up to and including everything (depending on how much one has committed oneself to the Org).
As a result, the Watchtower heirarchy has evolved in a way that the higher up one goes, the more difficult that option becomes...
...to the point where at the top, any other perspective is - for all intents and purposes - impossible.
As a result, the Governing Body - whilst knowing it's wrong - still believes it's True...
...at the same time.
They have no choice.