i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
waton - "The wt doctrine calls for all anointed sealed partakers to be called to their heavenly reward at the outset of the Great Tribulation, not just the Governing Body, so... how about the other 144000? dispersed everywhere, not of the Governing Body?"
Interestingly, a significant portion of the Org's recent internal publications regarding rank-and-file partakers seem to have the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) goal of smearing them as posers and/or mentally unstable.
I wonder why?
i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
There's another consideration, too.
Sure, they'd (theoretically) escape secular justice, but the scenario you've described would absolutely have to be maintained...
...indefinitely and using increasingly draconian means...
...simply because no hint of their self-imposed exile could be allowed to be publicly exposed.
Doing so would reveal that...
a) ...they're cowards for hiding, instead of bravely defending their convictions the way Jesus' apostles did, and...
b) ...they're egregiously deceitful for letting the rank-and-file think they'd been "raptured" away...
...and both would too deeply undermine the Org's claims of authority and exclusivity, which can never be permitted.
No matter how comfortable they'd be, it would amount to a life sentence.
i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
OnTheWayOut - "Sometime in the future, when the G.B. see it is time, they will close the gates or flee to an Island with suitcases of cash and say the Great Tribulation has started..."
I've considered this possibility myself, and I actually don't have much of a problem with it.
I have a hard time imagining the WT machine being able to operate effectively without their direct presence and influence... their "celebrity status" amongst the rank-and-file is too significant a component for the Org to function without it.
I suspect that (besides the constant ego-boost) plastering their names and faces all over everything the Org cranks out has actually become a practical and necessary component in the current media-driven age.
i loath this cult!!!!!!!!!!
why won't she leave?.
she knows about the australian royal commision, the united nations, failed prediction dates etc...., i have crisis of consciene and she know, it is visiable that she could see the book everyday.
Once again, for the newbies, lurkers, and trolls...
...if you have to cheat to defend your beliefs, your beliefs don't deserve to be defended.
tonight there was an 8 minute segment allocated to reporting on jws regarding child abuse and the redress scheme.
it was presented by lisa wilkinson for the project.the australian branch has issued a statement to the show advising that they will not be joining the scheme.. they state:.
statement from the jehovah’s witnessesthe religion of jehovah’s witnesses does not have the institutional settings that the voluntary national redress scheme is designed to cover.therefore, the ministry for families and social services has been advised that jehovah’s witnesses will not join the scheme.jehovah’s witnesses have responded and will continue to respond directly to individual claims for redress in a caring, fair, and principled manner, taking into consideration the unique circumstances of each claim.. https://10play.com.au/theproject/articles/statement-from-the-jehovahs-witnesses/tpa200621ycelq.
Fadeaway1962 - "...not even an apology for covering up and failing to report..."
'Course not.
An apology would be tantamount to admitting there was a problem, that it was their fault the problem existed, and that the application of their so-called "Biblical" standards made said problem worse rather than better...
...none of which can be acknowledged (from their POV), because admissions of that nature would too deeply undermine their claims of divine exclusivity and authority in the eyes of the membership.
The fiction of "God's Earthly Organization" must be reinforced at all costs, because...
a) ...despite what any loyalists may insist, being an active, dutiful JW isn't really all that pleasant, so without that distinction, there's virtually no incentive to stay...
...and more importantly...
b) ...by the Org's own internal standards, without that distinction they are - by definition - a "false religion", and therefore have no right to even exist.
a new fox poll says biden is up by 12 percentage points.
of course, most other polls say trump will be trounced this time around.. do you think the polls might be right this time?
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And there goes another one...
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ravi zacharias just passed away the other day.
this is his defense on jesus being the truth.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n77d4dugp4.
Sea Breeze - "What is Truth?"
"...Baby, don't ask me... don't ask me... don't know..."
tonight there was an 8 minute segment allocated to reporting on jws regarding child abuse and the redress scheme.
it was presented by lisa wilkinson for the project.the australian branch has issued a statement to the show advising that they will not be joining the scheme.. they state:.
statement from the jehovah’s witnessesthe religion of jehovah’s witnesses does not have the institutional settings that the voluntary national redress scheme is designed to cover.therefore, the ministry for families and social services has been advised that jehovah’s witnesses will not join the scheme.jehovah’s witnesses have responded and will continue to respond directly to individual claims for redress in a caring, fair, and principled manner, taking into consideration the unique circumstances of each claim.. https://10play.com.au/theproject/articles/statement-from-the-jehovahs-witnesses/tpa200621ycelq.
hoser - "Covid 19 did the organization a favour. If they are forced to sell off the limited assets they have in Australia it will be a good time to switch to an internet religion."
Which, in turn, makes it that much easier for faders, fakers, and fence-sitters to GTFO.
...
A lot of XJWs tend to think that a violent crash-and-burn is the best end for the Org, and there would definitely be considerable satisfaction in seeing that...
...but a slow, ignominious decline is way more permanent.
As far as I'm concerned, the WTS is already a shadow of its former glory...
...regardless of whether it enables the Org to survive, turning into an e-religion can't help but be a further step down.
tonight there was an 8 minute segment allocated to reporting on jws regarding child abuse and the redress scheme.
it was presented by lisa wilkinson for the project.the australian branch has issued a statement to the show advising that they will not be joining the scheme.. they state:.
statement from the jehovah’s witnessesthe religion of jehovah’s witnesses does not have the institutional settings that the voluntary national redress scheme is designed to cover.therefore, the ministry for families and social services has been advised that jehovah’s witnesses will not join the scheme.jehovah’s witnesses have responded and will continue to respond directly to individual claims for redress in a caring, fair, and principled manner, taking into consideration the unique circumstances of each claim.. https://10play.com.au/theproject/articles/statement-from-the-jehovahs-witnesses/tpa200621ycelq.
Listener - "...No doubt, the 'JWs do not have the institutional setting that the voluntary National Redress Scheme is designed to cover'... That's because the Australasian Branch can only accept instructions and direction for the Headquarters in New York, regardless of what they may think is morally right or not."
And also because they've already funneled the bulk of the Aussie WT savings out of the country...
...specifically so they could say this.
i missed this when it first came out.
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it's so sad to realize that i was part of the behaviour shown by the witnesses in the video.. this is my neck of the woods, and i recognize some of the yellow vested attendants that control the situation.i used to play football with the big french brother named guy.. if only they could see.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukiqqgfngxk.
Half banana - "...The organisation now indicate you should contact the police but JWs pride in their loyalty to this half baked religion will inhibit them from doing so."
Not quite.
The Organization now concedes that you can contact the police, but JWs' fear that they'll experience draconian consequences as a result of said contact inhibits them from doing so.
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Not to mention that old habits die hard...
...loyalists would rather gargle with battery acid than air the Org's dirty laundry to "Satan's World".
