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  'church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately'

  by was a new boy in

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  'the spokesperson also said that church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately, even if there is only one complainant.'.

  https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rebekah-vardy-sexually-abused-child-jehovahs-witnesses/.

  is this true?

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  LongHairGal - “Very good points you raised…”

  Thanks.

  I assume I’ll be noted as “improved” on my theocratic ministry school record, and move on to the next point of counsel.

  🤪
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  'church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately'

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'the spokesperson also said that church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately, even if there is only one complainant.'.

  https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rebekah-vardy-sexually-abused-child-jehovahs-witnesses/.

  is this true?

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  ThomasMore - “…It was clear that they do not acknowledge that children actually have any rights at all…”

  That has its roots in several things, I think.

  Firstly…

  …my elder dad once explained to me that technically, all of us (including children) were God’s property, and therefore none of us actually had any so-called “rights”… only privileges and gifts Jehovah was gracious enough to give us, even though we could never possibly hope to earn or deserve them.

  Secondly…

  …since we’re living in Satan’s World deep in the time of the End, “suffering for righteousness’ sake” (or, really, suffering of any kind) must be a defining characteristic of True Christians©️. Therefore, we should expect to have shitty things happen to us all the time, so quit whining and suck it up, you ungrateful little pricks.

  And thirdly…

  …old-school JW leaders very likely viewed children as, at best, miniature adults to be used as a resource (like actual adults), and at worst, a nuisance. They absolutely were conditioned (by both their upbringing’s conventional but outdated thinking, and the wonderful works of the Apostle Paul) to think of kids as horrible little shit-goblins who couldn’t be trusted to tell the truth, like, ever.

  (Note: I never heard my elder dad parrot the second or third things, and I don’t think he believed them.)

  None of these “theological” concepts are unique to JWs, but regardless, they cannot help but make for an environment that’s apathetic, casually dismissive, and downright toxic with regards to the victimization of the most vulnerable…

  …children or adults.
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  Were Bible writers flat earthers?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  job 26:7 he stretches out the northern sky over empty space, well should it be the southern that has empty space under it?.

  the north pole has the earth under it?.

  the south pole has empty space under it?.

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  Vidiot

  

  Even the most recent parts of “The Bible” were written over two thousand years ago.

  Everybody was a flat-earther.
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  Did The Australian Royal Commission Actually Achieve Anything?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i've been going through past threads on here during the period i was not very interested in what was going on in jw world.

  the australian royal commission era caused a great deal of excitement and inspired some hope, but did any good come of it?.

  the 2 witness rule in child sexual assault cases still exists, and elders still don't call the police and try to handle things in house.

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  Rattigan - “…Good. and let's hope it stays…”

  God, I hope you’re kidding.

  If you’re not - and I don’t usually say stuff like this - you are now an even bigger dumbass than Fisherman.

  The only positive outcome the two-witness rule could possibly have would be resulting hubris-rope the Org is spinning it into to hang itself with.
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  Did The Australian Royal Commission Actually Achieve Anything?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i've been going through past threads on here during the period i was not very interested in what was going on in jw world.

  the australian royal commission era caused a great deal of excitement and inspired some hope, but did any good come of it?.

  the 2 witness rule in child sexual assault cases still exists, and elders still don't call the police and try to handle things in house.

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  ThomasMore - “…They may even relocate the headquarters to a friendlier nation (like Argentina)…”

  Umm…

  …didn’t the fucking Nazis try to hide out in Argentina?

  Do these guys have no awareness of history at all?

  😄

  My money’s on the Caymans…

  …’cause, frankly, that’s where a lot of theirs is.
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  Secret Elders Book? Bwahahaha!

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i remember a couple of decades ago when the internet was relatively young and the wt was at war with it, that they were battling to keep the pay attention book secret, commencing legal action against anyone who published it online (and of course, trying to out anyone who leaked it).

  i think it was a norwegian skeptics organisation who had it available for download and dared the wt lawyers to come after them.. so i guess the new shepherd the flock book came out to try and put the genie back in the bottle and reassert some air of mystery and secrecy back into the equation.. so i typed jehovah's witnesses secret elder book into google.

  colour me gobsmacked!

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  Vidiot

  Save it for the ladies, Nate. 😏
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  Did The Australian Royal Commission Actually Achieve Anything?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i've been going through past threads on here during the period i was not very interested in what was going on in jw world.

  the australian royal commission era caused a great deal of excitement and inspired some hope, but did any good come of it?.

  the 2 witness rule in child sexual assault cases still exists, and elders still don't call the police and try to handle things in house.

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  Lee Marsh - “…they will put the org before the needs and rights of the children they are supposed to be caring for.”

  Of course they will.

  They cannot permit anything to threaten the survival of “God’s Exclusive Earthly Organization”…

  …because a genuine threat to its survival too deeply undermines the very premise of “God’s Exclusive Earthly organization”.

  The face-palming irony is that the actions they are taking to - ultimately - defend that premise…

  …are themselves irrevocably undermining the premise.

  
  

  The moment you use under-handed (or heavy-handed) methods in your efforts to claim the moral high ground, you forfeit the moral high ground.
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  Did The Australian Royal Commission Actually Achieve Anything?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i've been going through past threads on here during the period i was not very interested in what was going on in jw world.

  the australian royal commission era caused a great deal of excitement and inspired some hope, but did any good come of it?.

  the 2 witness rule in child sexual assault cases still exists, and elders still don't call the police and try to handle things in house.

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  Vidiot

  Organizations that crash-and-burn sometimes bounce back, phoenix-like, from the ashes.

  Death by slow attrition, though? Not so much.
  
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  'church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately'

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'the spokesperson also said that church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately, even if there is only one complainant.'.

  https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rebekah-vardy-sexually-abused-child-jehovahs-witnesses/.

  is this true?

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  Vidiot

  I’m …By that logic, there are WT higher-ups who genuinely think that unmarried but consenting adults boning is somehow worse than a father diddling his little girl…

  Or (and I can’t believe this only just occurred to me now)…

  …there've been so many (alleged 🙄) kiddy-diddlers amongst the higher-ups and rank-and-file for so long…

  …that (like with porn), they have to minimize the “sin’s” severity just to avoid having to DF so many offenders that there wouldn’t be enough “qualified brothers” left to keep the Org functioning otherwise.

  I can’t decide which is worse. 😵‍💫
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  Secret Elders Book? Bwahahaha!

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i remember a couple of decades ago when the internet was relatively young and the wt was at war with it, that they were battling to keep the pay attention book secret, commencing legal action against anyone who published it online (and of course, trying to out anyone who leaked it).

  i think it was a norwegian skeptics organisation who had it available for download and dared the wt lawyers to come after them.. so i guess the new shepherd the flock book came out to try and put the genie back in the bottle and reassert some air of mystery and secrecy back into the equation.. so i typed jehovah's witnesses secret elder book into google.

  colour me gobsmacked!

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  Vidiot

  And I still shake my head that churches still refer to congregations as flocks and members as sheep…

  …considering what the ultimate fate of your average sheep tends to be.

  🙄